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  • sharp9
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2508

    #31
    Have just checked the list and in fact Nicks is the 39th player. So his retirement does not free up a place on the list.

    Add Vogels and we currently have 40 on the list.

    Even if Maxfield plays on he frees up a place on the list because he is eligible for the Veteran's list. So either way Nicks and Maxfield equals Vogels...so three others have to go.

    As you all probably know we have to draft a minimum of three players.

    I can't imagine that James can be kept on the list. As for Powell, well if he's better than Campbell, Hayes and Grundy why would you de-list him...unless you thought that a kid at pick 50 something is going to be better? Of course if one of those rookies is better then elevate and de-list...but then you still have to de-list anotyher player anyway!

    Sunny won't have suddenly lost talent and height for having a year off and a year in the 2s so it's difficult to see what would be gained by de-listing him.

    After the shellacking I gave him following the richmond game, Ball has lifted his game, but I reckon he's lifted it for one final surge.

    When you show as much potential as Fixter did you get one more shot at a full pre-season...but he could be de-listed because there is no way anyone would pick him up...ie he'll be waiting at the end of the draft if we want him back.

    Maybe if Shaw is as good as everyone says then Ericksen's place might in jeopardy.

    We face the perennial problem...your own players have moew value to your team than to anyone ele's..you always get shafted if you trade them away, unless he is a gun...in which case you get shafted 'cos you have lost a gun!

    For example, I would not trade O'Keefe for pick 12...I mean if you have pick 12 in the draft you would be really hoping he would be as good a player as Ryan, so what would be the point.

    I would trade him for pick 1...but then no-one would give you 1-5 for him. Stalemate.

    Melbourne were very lucky to get 15 for Jolly. Very lucky.

    We're still shy of key backmen and key forwards and a dashing midfielder, so I would take 30 for Fosdike to pick a tall. Maybe a team with lots of young talls, like Hawthorn, would take an experienced midfielder for what would be their 4th pick.

    Unlikely, though.

    They'd probably ask for Moore and I'd puke!
    Last edited by sharp9; 17 August 2005, 03:42 PM.
    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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    • DST
      The voice of reason!
      • Jan 2003
      • 2705

      #32
      The days of the big trade are long long gone.

      Even if one does come up these days, the only realistic chance of getting them is if you finish dead last and lose 17 games so you have a priority pick to throw into the mix.

      I think eveybody should stop the talk of who might be worth what etc and accept the fact that the list as it stands will be going into 2006 basically the same with 3 new faces (or 2 and 1 re-drafted).

      DST
      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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      • Wil
        On the Rookie List
        • Jun 2004
        • 619

        #33
        Originally posted by sharp9

        For example, I would not trade O'Keefe for pick 12...I mean if you have pick 12 in the draft you would be really hoping he would be as good a player as Ryan, so what would be the point.

        I would trade him for pick 1...but then no-one would give you 1-5 for him. Stalemate.
        Well obviously it depends on the coaching teams long term view of the team. I would take O'Keefe at pick 12 in a flash. O'Keefe is the most over-rated under-rated player around. He is way to inconsistant and I don't think I have ever seen him show up to a finals game. With a pick 12 we could trade it for a more established player that we need or draft someone who could make an immediate impact into the team.

        Personally I think Jude Bolton would be perfect to trade away depending on his value. But as someone else said, trading is seemingly dead.

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        • Sanecow
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Mar 2003
          • 6917

          #34
          Originally posted by Wil
          O'Keefe is the most over-rated under-rated player around.
          Well, he is the most high-scoring low-scoring forward so you'd expect that.

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          • Wil
            On the Rookie List
            • Jun 2004
            • 619

            #35
            Originally posted by Sanecow
            Well, he is the most high-scoring low-scoring forward so you'd expect that.
            Ah! Good point!

            Let me add though. We can't really speculate on what is deficient in the team until our finals campaign is over.

            Either we need to address what made us lose...

            Or we need to add depth as we are the premiers.

            It will make a big difference in how we look at the squad.

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            • Bleed Red Blood
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2003
              • 2057

              #36
              Originally posted by Wil
              Personally I think Jude Bolton would be perfect to trade away depending on his value. But as someone else said, trading is seemingly dead.
              Absolute BS. Who would replace him immediately? He was our best player before he did his hammy.

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              • Wil
                On the Rookie List
                • Jun 2004
                • 619

                #37
                Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                Absolute BS. Who would replace him immediately? He was our best player before he did his hammy.
                Yes and we also became a better team after he did his hammy.

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                • Bleed Red Blood
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2057

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Wil
                  Yes and we also became a better team after he did his hammy.
                  I don't connect the two things.

                  Can you answer my question - What benefit is there in trading Bolton?

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                    I don't connect the two things.
                    Causality is always difficult to assess.

                    The evidence (such that it is) is that J Bolton was playing very well until rd 11 but the team was only average. Since his return from injury he has been only average yet the team has improved dramatically.

                    The linkage is probably not there, however it does possibly show that he is not necessarily essential to success to the degree of some other players.

                    Can you answer my question - What benefit is there in trading Bolton?
                    We could get an outside midfielder?
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • Sanecow
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 6917

                      #40
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods

                      We could get an outside midfielder?
                      Someone like Spriggs?

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Sanecow
                        Someone like Spriggs?
                        It was implied that I was referring to someone who could kick to a target and would be useful!
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • Bleed Red Blood
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 2057

                          #42
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          [B] We could get an outside midfielder?
                          I'd rather keep JBolton and develop from inside. Besides, the coaching staff don't seem to place a lot of need on outside midfielders.

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                          • Wil
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 619

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                            I don't connect the two things.

                            Can you answer my question - What benefit is there in trading Bolton?
                            No I can't because it depends on what we may get for him.

                            Buchanan is better than him in his position anyway (even though Jude has better skills and experience he does not add much to our midfield in terms of creativity and providing goal opportunities). Plus we have Willoughby sitting around doing nothing in reserves.

                            I just think Jude is one of those players that we don't really NEED in the team but we could get A LOT for him in return. And it would have to be a big name that will get us to a flag.

                            It's just speculation, I can't see it happening.

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                              I'd rather keep JBolton and develop from inside.
                              Sure that sounds good - whether we can do that remains to be seen though.

                              Besides, the coaching staff don't seem to place a lot of need on outside midfielders.
                              Maybe not, but our performance in finals will show whether that is the right decision. Talented outside midfielders are generally considered necessary on bigger grounds.
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • Sanecow
                                Suspended by the MRP
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 6917

                                #45
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                It was implied that I was referring to someone who could kick to a target and would be useful!
                                Have we had turnover in our recruiting staff?

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