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[Pekay]

Nice of you to say those things, MP. I'd love to answer your questions but it's not really appropriate for me to do so - plus I don't know what the exact figures are as that's kept pretty confidential.

But you're right, SUSF are fantastic for us - they provide us with staff, facilities, scholarships etc and without them we would be nowhere near where we are today. All we need from them now is to boot rugby off No.1 from next year onward now that they'll have their new venue up and running. Won't hold my breath though!

They have a new facility on campus?

[andreww1]

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I'm sorry. I really cannot believe the SydneyAFL have bailed out ECE with a $100k loan. Not a team that received grants to play in a higher league. Not a team which is having a stellar of a season with many of their NEAFL players. I just don't believe it.

It is hard to believe isn't it. But ask why did they pull out of NEAFL? It was purely for financial reasons despite the spin that has been put on it.

Plus at the last Presidents Meeting of Premier Div clubs, one of the presidents asked the AFL about the loan to ECE. The AFL officials didn't deny it but said they couldn't talk about it because they were bound by confidentiality agreements, hence they indirectly confirmed it does exist.

[justabaraker]

Nice of you to say those things, MP. I'd love to answer your questions but it's not really appropriate for me to do so - plus I don't know what the exact figures are as that's kept pretty confidential.

But you're right, SUSF are fantastic for us - they provide us with staff, facilities, scholarships etc and without them we would be nowhere near where we are today. All we need from them now is to boot rugby off No.1 from next year onward now that they'll have their new venue up and running. Won't hold my breath though!

I reckon WORLD PEACE is just around the corner when STUDENT and MUGPUNTER are being nice to each other.
And when MUGPUNTER is being (mostly) positive and upbeat.

But I can't get excited about watching footy at No.1 again...to hard to get to, to hard to park (if you aren't a student with a bicycle), surface is crap, shape is all wrong for our game, and that stupid tree that hangs over the western side of the ground. Go Rugger and stand up for your rights !!

[justabaraker]

How would you feel if you were from Campbelltown reading that ECE have been basically gifted $100K whilst they were left to wither on the vine?

The ECEagles deserve to be on this FLOG thread for so many reasons - Mondo Rock singing "Eagle Rock", $8.00 burgers, interminable commercialism at the games, and so on.
But we need them in our comp because the culture is so strong, so many volunteers, quality players, superb ground, depth and juniors.
Others can comment on their dire financial position but I guess the SFL saw benefits in helping them stay afloat when they evidently weren't likely to after previous follies. I understand that they put up a pretty compelling business plan on how they would get out of the doggy-doos.
Whereas it seemed to me that Campbelltown just didn't have anything worth saving...lack of players, energy, depth (how can you promote and demote players between Prems and Div 4 ??) And money wasn't going to save them anyway.

[Coastal Boy]

It is hard to believe isn't it. But ask why did they pull out of NEAFL? It was purely for financial reasons despite the spin that has been put on it.

Plus at the last Presidents Meeting of Premier Div clubs, one of the presidents asked the AFL about the loan to ECE. The AFL officials didn't deny it but said they couldn't talk about it because they were bound by confidentiality agreements, hence they indirectly confirmed it does exist.

Many clubs run into problems from time to time. Let's mention SWS, Norwest, Balmain, Wollongong and Campbelltown to name a few in recent times. The main theme of all of them is the lack of direct support from the league. Not necessarily financial but support comes in many forms. You could argue not only did the league not assist they probably hindered.

So why the double standards now? This is not an issue with anyone at ECE. They asked for help and received it. Good luck to them. I remember how far ECE came in 10 years and admire them. But the league has not only bailed them out they most likely have given them a premiership. You could argue they have indirectly financed their premiership tilt. Wow! A responsible league would have given ECE assistance under the proviso they shed their paid NEAFL players out of respect to the rest of the clubs. I know I'm gonna hear: the players are not getting paid much/at all this year. But it's like a front ended contract - they received the big money in previous years.

As Fatty says 'that'll do me'.

[andreww1]

Many clubs run into problems from time to time. Let's mention SWS, Norwest, Balmain, Wollongong and Campbelltown to name a few in recent times. The main theme of all of them is the lack of direct support from the league. Not necessarily financial but support comes in many forms. You could argue not only did the league not assist they probably hindered.

So why the double standards now? This is not an issue with anyone at ECE. They asked for help and received it. Good luck to them. I remember how far ECE came in 10 years and admire them. But the league has not only bailed them out they most likely have given them a premiership. You could argue they have indirectly financed their premiership tilt. Wow! A responsible league would have given ECE assistance under the proviso they shed their paid NEAFL players out of respect to the rest of the clubs. I know I'm gonna hear: the players are not getting paid much/at all this year. But it's like a front ended contract - they received the big money in previous years.

As Fatty says 'that'll do me'.

I agree that apart from perhaps some poor financial management that got them in to financial trouble in the first place, they have done a good job convincing the AFL to bail them out. As you said best of luck to them. If my team was in trouble that is whom I would have gone to for help. The AFL should be doing more to help clubs in trouble.

The issue is lack of transparency and consistency from the AFL, plus as you said not enough conditions to prevent them using the AFLs money to win a premiership at the expense of other clubs. So much for a level playing field!

[Mug Punter]

Nice of you to say those things, MP. I'd love to answer your questions but it's not really appropriate for me to do so - plus I don't know what the exact figures are as that's kept pretty confidential.

But you're right, SUSF are fantastic for us - they provide us with staff, facilities, scholarships etc and without them we would be nowhere near where we are today. All we need from them now is to boot rugby off No.1 from next year onward now that they'll have their new venue up and running. Won't hold my breath though!

SUSF are, I believe, the most financial and ambitious of the four main Unis. Just a product of their history and longevity really but they also have a philosophy of playing at the highest level where possible. It's why their Rugby, Cricket and AFL teams are in the comps they are in. But the power of their AFL club, and full credit to them, is that they have also harnessed the power of inclusiveness and participation. Student, do the NEAFL blokes mix much with the lower graders or are they kind of a bit separate?

UTS are not really into sport and they are a Uni team by name only, more an expat destination for all the college boys from SA and Vic. UNSW seem to have lost their way and I don't think the East Sydney merger was ever a good idea. I had the impression that Mac Uni had good facilities but a nightmare of a Sports Union to deal with.

The Sydney Uni model is as close to the American College Model you'll see in Sydney and probably Australia.

Anyway, sorry to take the topic away from flogs....

Anyone remember a bloke called John Glynn, now there was a flog for you

[justabaraker]

SUSF are, I believe, the most financial and ambitious of the four main Unis. Just a product of their history and longevity really but they also have a philosophy of playing at the highest level where possible. It's why their Rugby, Cricket and AFL teams are in the comps they are in. But the power of their AFL club, and full credit to them, is that they have also harnessed the power of inclusiveness and participation. Student, do the NEAFL blokes mix much with the lower graders or are they kind of a bit separate?

UTS are not really into sport and they are a Uni team by name only, more an expat destination for all the college boys from SA and Vic. UNSW seem to have lost their way and I don't think the East Sydney merger was ever a good idea. I had the impression that Mac Uni had good facilities but a nightmare of a Sports Union to deal with.

The Sydney Uni model is as close to the American College Model you'll see in Sydney and probably Australia.

Anyway, sorry to take the topic away from flogs....

Anyone remember a bloke called John Glynn, now there was a flog for you

1. I've been to Sydney Uni double-headers and can assure you that their NEAFL Hollywood stars support the Prems. Many of them interchange from week to week, for this year at least, so they are all in the family. Go Sydney Uni for your inclusiveness and enterprise.
2. John Glynn - didn't he fly to the moon ? Might be a flog but I wish I could have done that.

[The Student]

They have a new facility on campus?

Indeed. It is up on No. 2 Oval - the one closest to Parramatta Rd over the back of No. 1. It will be a rectangular field for rugby and soccer, and the grandstand will include office space and a high performance gym (that I'll never see the inside of!).

University of Sydney Grandstand Development | Kane Constructions — Privately owned Australian construction company.

Still under construction at the moment but it would be great if it were ready for 2016 - SUSF might see some sense and move the rugby club off No. 1 forever, but my gut feel is that they'll say "we will keep the nice ground for firsts and seconds and everyone else can play and train on No.1" and it will be a dust bowl by about May again.

[The Student]

SUSF are, I believe, the most financial and ambitious of the four main Unis. Just a product of their history and longevity really but they also have a philosophy of playing at the highest level where possible. It's why their Rugby, Cricket and AFL teams are in the comps they are in. But the power of their AFL club, and full credit to them, is that they have also harnessed the power of inclusiveness and participation. Student, do the NEAFL blokes mix much with the lower graders or are they kind of a bit separate?

UTS are not really into sport and they are a Uni team by name only, more an expat destination for all the college boys from SA and Vic. UNSW seem to have lost their way and I don't think the East Sydney merger was ever a good idea. I had the impression that Mac Uni had good facilities but a nightmare of a Sports Union to deal with.

The Sydney Uni model is as close to the American College Model you'll see in Sydney and probably Australia.

Anyway, sorry to take the topic away from flogs....

Anyone remember a bloke called John Glynn, now there was a flog for you

More so than that I think we are currently a product of our location, the ambition of SUSF, the relentlessness of our current and most recent former Presidents, the surge in popularity of the game in Sydney and also the drive of our current and recent staff (including coaches). Ten years ago we had a small number of scholarship guys and just enough blokes for four teams, but were playing in the second tier. Went up to PD in 2007 and it took us until 2010 to be competitive - then NEAFL came along and SUSF jumped in head first, helped us out with a greater financial commitment, human resources, scholarships etc. which has been one of the key reasons for our growth. We had about 280 players this year which says a lot for the club - there are frustrations from time to time but I'd like to think everyone who pulled on the jumper had a positive experience, which in my opinion is the measure of our performance as a club. There have been teething problems with the NEAFL experience but I think as time goes on we are getting the hang of it - certainly on-field but off it as well.

The NEAFL boys mix as much as they can - they're on a different schedule to everyone else with travel and training venues but when they're around they get involved, they come to the pub and socialize etc. Again I'm sure we could be better at it but it has improved markedly this year.

[Norris Lurker]

I saw they were doing some work on No 2 when I was at Sydney Uni not long ago. Surprised they're making it rectangular - not sure how that one got past the cricket club.

[ShortHalfHead]

I saw they were doing some work on No 2 when I was at Sydney Uni not long ago. Surprised they're making it rectangular - not sure how that one got past the cricket club.

They probably took the specs for a cricket field/AFL field off the plans for St Pauls.

[The Student]

They probably took the specs for a cricket field/AFL field off the plans for St Pauls.

Cricket already play on Paul's - the Uni is pretty limited with what they can do as the ground is owned by the college. From what I hear there will be more construction there next year which will mean it is out of action for the foreseeable future.

As for No. 2, from what I recall when the Uni knocked down HK Ward gym to build the gleaming Perkins building, they agreed to build a new sporting facility to replace the one that was lost. I think cricket are getting indoor nets under the new grandstand, so they're probably not too annoyed about losing No. 2. Could be wrong though!

[unconfuseme]

AFL Sydney are a stand out, followed closely by the Baulko Superstars who have accepted the deal!

Allowing Baulkham Hills to play in PD whilst funding their playing list is just about the biggest joke in Sydney AFL history (and there have been a few!) ... the fact that more people from other clubs haven't been totally pissed off about it is a mystery ...

I have no problem with the AFL funding them, but the players who had their hand out should have simply been drafted to the other clubs (like the SU players), after all, most of them are now simply washed up mercenaries, laughing in everyone's face. They are not prepared to back their ability elsewher, but will cop the cash playing in a side that is 20 goals better than their amateur opponents ... and in most cases, they will be unlikely to back up again next year if the money dries up.

[Jupiter]

I don't know any of the details being referenced here but I have thought all year that its a terrible look having ECE come back in on their own with a near NEAFL list and dominate the competition. Some transition arrangements might have been advisable so as to avoid accusations of competition wrecking (no disrespect to any other club intended and anything can happen in finals but..).