Ins and Outs for Round 3

[goswannie14]

I thought Mc Veigh was OK on Sunday, better than a number of his team mates. I reckon Willo ought to be dropped, as much as I hate to say it he really is looking slow.

[Nico]

And I thought Schneider was OK. Just that he is not strong enough around the ground and isn't a very penetrating kick.

Keep him as a forward.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by goswannie14
I thought Mc Veigh was OK on Sunday, better than a number of his team mates.

and I would agree, but we know how the club works. McVeigh will get the axe and yet 3 or 4 of his Premiership winning teammates would be more deserving. But they have the "credit" and McVeigh doesn't and thus he becomes the fallguy.

I reckon Willo ought to be dropped, as much as I hate to say it he really is looking slow.

A tough early call that you know WON'T be made

[DST]

Originally posted by robbieando
and I would agree, but we know how the club works. McVeigh will get the axe and yet 3 or 4 of his Premiership winning teammates would be more deserving. But they have the "credit" and McVeigh doesn't and thus he becomes the fallguy.



A tough early call that you know WON'T be made

Those 3 or 4 premiership players are the ones Roos has turned to in the past and they have not let him down.

Why and the hell would he then go and make wholesale changes for the sake of it or just to put the wind up the rest of the list.

I don't get to see many reserves games these days living in Melbourne but got to see 3/4 of the game on the weekend. Outside of Malceski, Spriggs & Moore none of them look ready or deserving of a senior spot.

Even the three mentioned all have clouds over them as to whether they are capable of playing senior football at present:

Malceski, while looking good when he has the ball doesn't work hard enough to get it or get into a position to get it.

Spriggs, still has question marks over his disposal

Moore, while looking trimmer still will does not have the motor to play the role we need from him. If it was to replace Scheinder as crumbing forward then yes but not as a running in and under midfielder as part of out rotations which is what we need at present.

So the match committee has it hands tied, they are going to play the current 22.

DST

[Sanecow]

Based on the weekend's game:

Originally posted by DST
Malceski, while looking good when he has the ball doesn't work hard enough to get it or get into a position to get it.

Hall.

Originally posted by DST
Spriggs, still has question marks over his disposal

Mathews.

Originally posted by DST
Moore, while looking trimmer still will does not have the motor to play the role we need from him.

Williams.

[liz]

Originally posted by DST


Malceski, while looking good when he has the ball doesn't work hard enough to get it or get into a position to get it.

DST

Are you basing that assessment on his few senior experiences, or on his performance on Sunday. If it is the latter, I was watching a different game to you. He didn't always look like he's running particularly hard, but I doubt he ever stopped moving. There were many instances where he was involved 3 or 4 times in a move from kick-in to shot at goal.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by DST
Those 3 or 4 premiership players are the ones Roos has turned to in the past and they have not let him down.

But surprise, surprise have let him down so far this season and yet a guy who has done NOTHING wrong gets the axe because he hasn't played over 100 games of football. I'm not asking for 3 or 4 changes because that would really throw the pre season work out the window, but what's the harm in dropping say Ben Mathews for Malceski instead of McVeigh which is what they will do and shifting Malceski onto the wing, Willo to the bench, and Dempster to the back flank. Only other move would be a ruck move if Doyle if deemed ready to go.

Malceski, while looking good when he has the ball doesn't work hard enough to get it or get into a position to get it.

Hard to do at a senior level when your played out of position and therefore have to have the ball come to you, not you go find the ball which is what he is better at.

So the match committee has it hands tied, they are going to play the current 22.

Then we are going to either lose to Carlton because nothing will have changed from last week or maybe the 22 get the message from the coaches during the week that a better effort is needed. I'm not hopeful of this being a walkaway win as I did 3 days ago.

I'm sick of the excuses, regardless of the time of year. This club for years has failed to make any hard calls at the selection table (save Vogels for Bevan in the finals, which basically had no effect on the season) based on a loss or poor form (who remembers 03 and the Rowan Warfe campaign to have him dropped due to poor form?). We need to make the players know each week the go out on the field not only to win, but also to earn their spot in the side for the next week.

[stellation]

Originally posted by DST

Spriggs, still has question marks over his disposal

It actually looked good on the weekend.

[Go Swannies]

Here we go again. Already. There are two approaches to player management - the Eade approach and the Roos approach. Many here seem to want the Eade approach - punish a player as soon as he makes a mistake so pull him off the ground and don't select him next week.

Or there's the Roos approach - don't shirk from telling a player that he's playing badly or making mistakes but leave him playing to sort it out. And that applies during the game and from week to week. So far it's given him a Brownlow (remember how Goodes played when cowed by Eade?) and a Premiership.

I vote for the Roos approach. Anyway, if we drop all the non-performing players for this next Carlton game, we won't be able to field a team at all.

[Sanecow]

Roos benched Leo Barry after Lloyd towelled him up.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Roos benched Leo Barry after Lloyd towelled him up.

He took NOG off (eventually) after his GF blunder, too. But there's a difference between taking a player off to regroup when he's completely lost the plot and doing it as a disciplinary measure.

[JudesaGun]

OUT:
Matthews, Williams (if injured), Fosdike

IN:
Maceski, Vogels, Moore

McVeigh and Schnieder should be kept in the team. They are the future of this club. And we have no other options for Chambers so leave him in.

[Jeffers1984]

I don't think Fosdike deserves to be dropped. He was actually one of the only Swans that didn't have too bad a game.

I agree that McVeigh unforuntely will be used as the scapegoat when players like Mathews will most likely be kept in.

I think we'll see:

In: Malceski, Moore
Out: McVeigh, Willo (only if he is injured)



Going by Roos's article, i don't think he will make many changes to the squad.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
Here we go again. Already. There are two approaches to player management - the Eade approach and the Roos approach. Many here seem to want the Eade approach - punish a player as soon as he makes a mistake so pull him off the ground and don't select him next week.

Or there's the Roos approach - don't shirk from telling a player that he's playing badly or making mistakes but leave him playing to sort it out. And that applies during the game and from week to week. So far it's given him a Brownlow (remember how Goodes played when cowed by Eade?) and a Premiership.

I vote for the Roos approach. Anyway, if we drop all the non-performing players for this next Carlton game, we won't be able to field a team at all.

In regards to Mathews, I don't think confidence has anything to do with it. His place in the team is just iffy. Maybe Kirk should return to tagging until he gets back to the level of the last few years, Buchanen plays more in Kirks in and under role, Malkeski goes to the backline, Schneider moves forward as the crumber, Mathews out of the team.

Boy, talk about badly explained.

As in:

Kirk goes from in-and-under midfielder to tagger, still can do the clearing though. (Shouldn't need Mathews if we do this.)

Buchanen goes from playing in the forward line mostly to Kirks role.

Schneider goes to Buchanens vacant forward pocket.

Malkeski goes to Mathews back flank.

Mathews out of team.

[bigswan]

The only change I would make would be to drop McVeigh and give Malceski a go. Chambers would need to do something in the next few weeks. As for bringing in Shaw or Ericksen-no way. An improvement in the midfield will see our first win for the season. As for benching blokes after a mistake-forget it.