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  • Thunder Shaker
    Aut vincere aut mori
    • Apr 2004
    • 4316

    AFL makes an announcement on changes to bid matching that may commence next year.

    No father-son draft lockout, but AFL set to tighten bidding rules (afl.com.au)
    AFL makes call on prospective 2026 draft lockout (sen.com.au)

    I am opposed to these changes because there's no equity. Brisbane has loaded up on father-son and Academy players in the past few years and will be able to match a top 5 bid on Annable this year with a fistful of picks including four third-round picks. Now the system is changing so other clubs can't do the same, which will strongly disadvantage struggling clubs like Essendon and Carlton.

    It would be fairer if these changes had a transition period. Clubs with several good players recruited in this way should have the new rules applied immediately, while clubs that have not benefited in this way can still match for a few years using the older system. IMO a fair place to draw the line is allowing non-finalists greater flexibility on bid matching. Another fair approach is giving clubs 5000 points, deduct the value of players recruited with matched bids currently on their list, and when the points run out they recruit using the new rules.

    Even worse - the draft will still be heavily compromised due to free agency. Clubs who cannot match bids on players can bide their time, wait until free agency then take them that way, at no draft cost to themselves.

    Statistics for last 5 drafts, first round picks:
    Father-son: 8
    Northern Academies: 10 (Brisbane 2, Gold Coast 5, GWS 1, Sydney 2)
    Next Generation Academies: 4
    Free agency: 8

    So free agency has compromised the first round of the draft over the last five years just as much as father-son picks have.
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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    • crackedactor 01
      Regular in the Side
      • Jun 2020
      • 777

      I see Charlie Curnow is wiling to take a pay cut to join Geelong. i think we can say with 99% certainty that he wouldn,t be at the Swans next year.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9362

        Thunder Shaker

        I already use a screen reader and magnifier tools. It was just getting too laborious. Bit now with the 32" monitor, it may just be enough to get me back on RWO again. I'll try it out and see how it goes.

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4316

          Originally posted by crackedactor 01
          I see Charlie Curnow is wiling to take a pay cut to join Geelong. i think we can say with 99% certainty that he wouldn,t be at the Swans next year.
          It is a complete mystery to me how the AFL can allow Geelong to loot so many players from other clubs without even asking questions. It's well known that dubious payments are being made, such as real estate and free cars for spouses.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • Thunder Shaker
            Aut vincere aut mori
            • Apr 2004
            • 4316



            Max King at 23, other Academy prospects not in the top 30.
            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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            • Thunder Shaker
              Aut vincere aut mori
              • Apr 2004
              • 4316

              Here is a list of all Academy and father-son players in Twomey's top 30.

              2, Zeke Uwland, Gold Coast, A
              4, Dylan Patterson, Gold Coast, A
              5, Daniel Annable, Brisbane, A
              8, Harry Dean, Carlton, FS
              22, Adam Sweid, Essendon, NGA
              23, Max King, Sydney, A
              25, Jack Ison, Carlton, NGA
              26, Beau Addinsall, Gold Coast, A
              29, Husien El Achkar, Essendon, NGA
              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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              • BFG
                Pushing for Selection
                • Jan 2025
                • 61

                AFL asleep at the wheel. They invented to points system then did basically nothing to update it despite clubs getting top end talent for bags of junk picks, some of those picks carrying points were not going to be used anyway.

                As soon as they had data showing what clubs actually valued picks at, the AFL should have been adjusting values to reflect real world value, not the academic exercise that provided the initial values.

                They could also have limited how many picks you could use to match meaning two quality picks would be needed, not the bag of worthless picks used to match, JUH, Ashcrofts, Daicos, Darcy etc

                Interesting off season for us, our academy players have drifted nicely IF we want them

                12 days to Trade Period, 8 weeks to ND

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                • Thunder Shaker
                  Aut vincere aut mori
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4316

                  Originally posted by BFG
                  AFL asleep at the wheel. They invented to points system then did basically nothing to update it despite clubs getting top end talent for bags of junk picks, some of those picks carrying points were not going to be used anyway.

                  As soon as they had data showing what clubs actually valued picks at, the AFL should have been adjusting values to reflect real world value, not the academic exercise that provided the initial values.

                  They could also have limited how many picks you could use to match meaning two quality picks would be needed, not the bag of worthless picks used to match, JUH, Ashcrofts, Daicos, Darcy etc
                  The AFL is proposing to match bids using two picks. I disagree with the change because the proposed changes have no equity and no retrospectivity. They could have proposed that non-finalists get the ability to match one bid per year using three picks. They could have proposed that previous years be counted, so clubs that have benefited greatly from previous drafts have tougher rules than clubs who have not.

                  The AFL is fiddling with a broken system. Brisbane has loaded up on third-round picks because Annable is likely to be bid on early. Essendon and Carlton have decent father-son prospects next year and they will find it hard to recruit them. Essendon and Carlton will be punished for Brisbane's excesses.

                  Even worse is free agency. That compromises the draft more than father-son players do due to the compensation picks. This year, the Eagles are likely to get pick 2 for free. He's going to Brisbane, who are giving up no trade capital at all to get Allen. Brisbane is effectively getting two top-5 players for nothing but a handful of third-round picks.

                  I'm not opposed to West Coast getting a compensation pick. What I dislike is how a compensation pick worth 2481 points is created out of nothing. Every pick in the draft after that pick is devalued.
                  "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                  • UUaswan
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2024
                    • 766

                    Buller officially requests trade

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                    • BRS328
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Feb 2018
                      • 394

                      Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                      AFL makes an announcement on changes to bid matching that may commence next year.

                      No father-son draft lockout, but AFL set to tighten bidding rules (afl.com.au)
                      AFL makes call on prospective 2026 draft lockout (sen.com.au)

                      I am opposed to these changes because there's no equity. Brisbane has loaded up on father-son and Academy players in the past few years and will be able to match a top 5 bid on Annable this year with a fistful of picks including four third-round picks. Now the system is changing so other clubs can't do the same, which will strongly disadvantage struggling clubs like Essendon and Carlton.

                      It would be fairer if these changes had a transition period. Clubs with several good players recruited in this way should have the new rules applied immediately, while clubs that have not benefited in this way can still match for a few years using the older system. IMO a fair place to draw the line is allowing non-finalists greater flexibility on bid matching. Another fair approach is giving clubs 5000 points, deduct the value of players recruited with matched bids currently on their list, and when the points run out they recruit using the new rules.

                      Even worse - the draft will still be heavily compromised due to free agency. Clubs who cannot match bids on players can bide their time, wait until free agency then take them that way, at no draft cost to themselves.

                      Statistics for last 5 drafts, first round picks:
                      Father-son: 8
                      Northern Academies: 10 (Brisbane 2, Gold Coast 5, GWS 1, Sydney 2)
                      Next Generation Academies: 4
                      Free agency: 8

                      So free agency has compromised the first round of the draft over the last five years just as much as father-son picks have.
                      I think Free Agency is a far greater issue than Northern Academies, NGA’s, and Father Son because it is the top teams that are benefiting the most. The current system encourages clubs to low ball contracts to older players to enhance their draft hand (eg, Oscar Allen to Brisbane).
                      The other thing that should be considered is limiting the number of players, including Academies, NGA, and Father Sons, that would have been top 40 picks, that any one club can takeover say a 5 year period to prevent extraordinary success that Brisbane are currently experiencing. Food for thought, and I am sure there will be many who disagree

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                      • UUaswan
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2024
                        • 766

                        All Free Agency compensation should be end of 2nd Round, if at all.

                        All Academy matching should be using a pick in the same round, like it was before. They changed that due to Heeney and Mills and brought in this point ts stacking crap

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                        • mcs
                          Travelling Swannie!!
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 8213

                          Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                          It is a complete mystery to me how the AFL can allow Geelong to loot so many players from other clubs without even asking questions. It's well known that dubious payments are being made, such as real estate and free cars for spouses.
                          Really does help when one of the main honchos that should be looking into such matters at AFL is ex-Geelong CFO (Or CEO - can't remember).

                          Plenty of the world has Cottoned On to the interesting dealings going on down that way, the penchant for footballers to want to become publicans or farmers when they head down that way. Shame AFL house isn't part of that cohort however hahaha.
                          "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                          • Thunder Shaker
                            Aut vincere aut mori
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4316

                            Originally posted by UUaswan
                            All Free Agency compensation should be end of 2nd Round, if at all.
                            I would make two changes to free agency:

                            1. End of round picks are moved to a position halfway between the clubs' pick in that round and the following round. This fixes the anomaly where the wooden spooner's end of first round pick would be right next to the premier's end of first round pick. So the wooden spooner's end of first round pick is inserted after pick 10 (a first-round pick) and the premier's end of first round pick is inserted after pick 27 (a second-round pick).

                            2. The compensation picks are created by the destination club forfeiting picks as if they matched a bid on a player, with no discount. This will make it expensive for top teams to raid bottom clubs for players, but players moving the other way can do so at a relatively low cost. If the destination club lacks points-bearing picks, they would receive a points deficit.
                            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4316

                              Blues star continues trade push, rivals chase Hawk, Suns lift free agent offer

                              Trade news of relevance to Sydney:
                              * Discusses Curnow's trade options. Geelong has the least amount of trade capital. Sydney has pick 9. Gold Coast holds 3 first-round picks but needs picks for points.
                              * Sydney has shown some interest in Jai Serong (younger brother of Caleb). North Melbourne and Essendon are also interested.
                              * Joel Hamling has signed a one-year contract extension.
                              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11369

                                Originally posted by UUaswan
                                Buller officially requests trade
                                So much for loyalty to the club that plucked you out of obscurity, and backed/supported you through a serious injury.
                                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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