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  • WomblingFree
    Warming the Bench
    • Sep 2021
    • 105

    Kinnear Beatson - Draft Dud

    Our history of first picks (excluding academy)

    2012 - Dean Towers
    2013 - Zak Jones
    2016 - Oliver Florent
    2017 - Matthew Ling
    2019 - Dylan Stephens (ahead of the mad Swans fan Caleb Serong)
    2020 - Logan McDonald
    2021 - Angus Sheldrick
    2022 - Jacob Konstanty
    2023 - Will Green
    2024 - Jesse Dattoli

    Not a single A grader, not even close. Plus some genuine busts.

    How anyone can sing KB's praises is beyond me. The final straw for me was last year where in a draft full of talls, when we desperately needed one, we went for two hybrid mids. We had TWO chances to draft Jobe Shanahan, every time I see him play I curse.

    KB, don't let the door hit you on the bum.
  • Syd76
    Warming the Bench
    • Jul 2019
    • 204

    #2
    Sorry but disagree… maybe you vould do better with the benefit of hindsight

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4074

      #3
      Originally posted by WomblingFree
      Our history of first picks (excluding academy)

      2012 - Dean Towers
      2013 - Zak Jones
      2016 - Oliver Florent
      2017 - Matthew Ling
      2019 - Dylan Stephens (ahead of the mad Swans fan Caleb Serong)
      2020 - Logan McDonald
      2021 - Angus Sheldrick
      2022 - Jacob Konstanty
      2023 - Will Green
      2024 - Jesse Dattoli

      Not a single A grader, not even close. Plus some genuine busts.

      How anyone can sing KB's praises is beyond me. The final straw for me was last year where in a draft full of talls, when we desperately needed one, we went for two hybrid mids. We had TWO chances to draft Jobe Shanahan, every time I see him play I curse.

      KB, don't let the door hit you on the bum.
      He has unearthed some guns later in the draft and as rookies but hard tio ignore a number of first round clangers..

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      • UUaswan
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2024
        • 849

        #4
        We would be Essendon without the Academy
        I hold hope for 4 of the last 5 Picks

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        • BRS328
          Warming the Bench
          • Feb 2018
          • 438

          #5
          Originally posted by WomblingFree
          Our history of first picks (excluding academy)

          2012 - Dean Towers
          2013 - Zak Jones
          2016 - Oliver Florent
          2017 - Matthew Ling
          2019 - Dylan Stephens (ahead of the mad Swans fan Caleb Serong)
          2020 - Logan McDonald
          2021 - Angus Sheldrick
          2022 - Jacob Konstanty
          2023 - Will Green
          2024 - Jesse Dattoli

          Not a single A grader, not even close. Plus some genuine busts.

          How anyone can sing KB's praises is beyond me. The final straw for me was last year where in a draft full of talls, when we desperately needed one, we went for two hybrid mids. We had TWO chances to draft Jobe Shanahan, every time I see him play I curse.

          KB, don't let the door hit you on the bum.
          You don’t seriously believe that Kinnear makes the decision on who the club draft. His job is to research and prepare a dossier on all players considering to be in the top 100 in the country, including the academy. The decision who to draft is taken by the football department based on perceived short and long term needs, so if your looking for someone to blame that is where that is where the decisions are made.

          Also think it is way too early to make calls on Logan McDonald, Sheldrick, Green and Dattoli.

          You also conveniently ignore the fact that the club has consistently participated in the finals virtually every year meaning that the first round picks were late teens or early twenties taking into account Free Agency, Father Son, NGA’s.

          I do agree with you on Dylan Stephens, but every club has one of those (eg Fin McCrae at Collingwood)

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          • The_Budds
            On the Rookie List
            • Sep 2025
            • 16

            #6
            Originally posted by BRS328

            You don’t seriously believe that Kinnear makes the decision on who the club draft. His job is to research and prepare a dossier on all players considering to be in the top 100 in the country, including the academy. The decision who to draft is taken by the football department based on perceived short and long term needs, so if your looking for someone to blame that is where that is where the decisions are made.

            Also think it is way too early to make calls on Logan McDonald, Sheldrick, Green and Dattoli.

            You also conveniently ignore the fact that the club has consistently participated in the finals virtually every year meaning that the first round picks were late teens or early twenties taking into account Free Agency, Father Son, NGA’s.

            I do agree with you on Dylan Stephens, but every club has one of those (eg Fin McCrae at Collingwood)
            And from memory, Stephens was touted as a Josh Kelly type skillful running machine.

            I also the the four you mentioned are all good prospects (and as you say, too early to tell). I think we'll see them become very good footballers over the next few years

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            • imuninformedtwo
              Regular in the Side
              • Aug 2024
              • 630

              #7
              Matthew Ling was the worst of those picks. Most draft watchers had him rated 30-50. The two players taken after him in the draft - Ed Richards and Zac Bailey. A fail of epic proportions.

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              • lwjoyner
                Senior Player
                • Nov 2004
                • 1063

                #8
                i cant fault kinnear with most selections, you are goind to miss some. I rate him better at than current mgr ck in picking footballers and not using some maths theory as he has said before.

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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8621

                  #9
                  Pretty silly thread frankly. The same negativity could be aimed at most clubs recruiters.....add to that it's not even Kinnear who makes the final decision on who to pick as BRS328 pointed out.

                  Sure the club got Dylan Stephens wrong and Kinnear did take responsibility for that one.

                  Funny how so many pundits saw him as one of the best at his trade.....thanks for your service Kinnear.

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                  • Roadrunner
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1527

                    #10
                    Originally posted by imuninformedtwo
                    Matthew Ling was the worst of those picks. Most draft watchers had him rated 30-50. The two players taken after him in the draft - Ed Richards and Zac Bailey. A fail of epic proportions.
                    That was some miss! You’re going to get some picks very wrong but that’s what the recruiters job entails so the odd ā€œmistakeā€ while understandable, should not happen too often. I don’t know how they form their choices but it’s fair to say they’ve not done well over all. These guys play a key role in bringing success for the club and I’m sorry to say they’ve not earned a flag. Needs heaps of improvement!

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                    • KSAS
                      Senior Player
                      • Mar 2018
                      • 1938

                      #11
                      Club podcast interview with KB. He repeated his regret on not drafting Caleb Serong, as they somehow talked themselves out of it at the last minute, when he was their initial target.

                      Interesting hearing him say it is most difficult in deciding with your first early pick, as there are so many choices.

                      Good to hear he'll now be involved with the Academy and establishing a Father Son/Daughter program, which Horse had been in his ear about previously.

                      This week on More than Footy, presented by Bing Lee, we are joined by former Sydney Swans recruiting boss Kinnear Beatson.

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                      • stevoswan
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8621

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KSAS
                        Club podcast interview with KB. He repeated his regret on not drafting Caleb Serong, as they somehow talked themselves out of it at the last minute, when he was their initial target.

                        Interesting hearing him say it is most difficult in deciding with your first early pick, as there are so many choices.

                        Good to hear he'll now be involved with the Academy and establishing a Father Son/Daughter program, which Horse had been in his ear about previously.

                        https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/...innear-beatson
                        As Kinnear says in that podcast about 'players that got away' (8:06), "the earlier the pick, the harder it is because there's more options". The entire draft is a bit of a lottery but even more so at the top.

                        The only real head scratcher out of that list in the first post of this thread to me and probably all Swans fans is Stephens. I would love to know the reasons Kinnear "talked myself out of late in that draft" with Serong, after he was the clubs initial target....it would be fascinating to know what his reasoning was but he's reluctant to share that. Pity.

                        I always imagine that draft night, the entire Serong household waiting in anticipation then mouth spraying their drinks across the room when the Swans read Stephens name out and then collectively wondering "WTF just happened?!" Caleb's heart must have sunk.
                        Last edited by stevoswan; 28 October 2025, 04:43 PM.

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                        • wolftone57
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5912

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WomblingFree
                          Our history of first picks (excluding academy)

                          2012 - Dean Towers
                          2013 - Zak Jones
                          2016 - Oliver Florent
                          2017 - Matthew Ling
                          2019 - Dylan Stephens (ahead of the mad Swans fan Caleb Serong)
                          2020 - Logan McDonald
                          2021 - Angus Sheldrick
                          2022 - Jacob Konstanty
                          2023 - Will Green
                          2024 - Jesse Dattoli

                          Not a single A grader, not even close. Plus some genuine busts.

                          How anyone can sing KB's praises is beyond me. The final straw for me was last year where in a draft full of talls, when we desperately needed one, we went for two hybrid mids. We had TWO chances to draft Jobe Shanahan, every time I see him play I curse.

                          KB, don't let the door hit you on the bum.
                          Dean Towers was a good player. He was a meture age pick so had less time to develop. Developing in country footy and the reserves is different than developing in an AFL atmosphere
                          Zac was ok but made far too many kicking errors. But we knew kicking wan't a strength
                          Ollie played 189 games FFS. He wasn't a dud at all
                          Logan has kicked quite a few goals and he is still developing
                          Gus is not a blow out yet. He's getting there
                          Will Green is a ruckman. They take time to develop. There is still time yet
                          Jesse hasn't even had a chance yet. Spent most of his first year injured.

                          you are the sdort of person who throws the ticket away before the raffle is drawn.

                          Now let me tell you about all the Rookie Selections and picks Beetson got right;

                          Lewis Roberts-Thompson 29
                          Adam Schneider 60
                          Sean Dempster 34
                          Nick Malceski 64
                          Paul Bevan Rookie 64
                          Amon Buchanan 45
                          Jarred Moore 31
                          Heath Grundy Rookie 42
                          Keiran Jack Rookie 57
                          Dan Hannaberry 37
                          Mike Pyke Rookie 57
                          Gary Rohan 6
                          Lewis Jetta 14
                          Sam Reid 38
                          Luke Parker 40
                          Alex Johnson 57
                          Matt Spangher 73
                          Tom Mitchell 21
                          Shane Biggs Rookie 13
                          Harry Cunningham Rookie 93
                          Jake Lloyd Rookie 16
                          Dane Rampe Rookie 37
                          George Hewett 32
                          Toby Nankervis 35
                          Aliir Aliir 35
                          Isaac Heeney 18
                          Nick Newman Rookie 35
                          Lewis Melican Rookie 52
                          Callum Mills 3
                          Jordan Dawson 56
                          Tom Papley Rookie 14
                          Harry Marsh Rookie 32
                          Collin O'Riordan Rookie 69
                          ollie Florent 11
                          Will Hayward 21
                          Darcy Cameron 48
                          Robbie Fox Rookie 34
                          Tom McCartin 34
                          Joel Amartey Rookie 28
                          James Rowbottom 25
                          Justin McInerney 44
                          Chad Warner 39
                          Logan McDonald 4
                          Braedon Campbell 5
                          Errol Gulden 32
                          Angus Sheldrick 18
                          Matthew Roberts 34
                          Corey Wwrner 40

                          i think they have all been ok for us. Some outright stars.

                          The trouble with staying up near the top of the ladder for so long is you never get the true Elite talent. You are picking from a group of about 40-60 players for your first two rounds. Every other bugger lower in the draft is too. It is a lottery at that stage. The bottom teams get the big picks.

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5912

                            #14
                            Originally posted by imuninformedtwo
                            Matthew Ling was the worst of those picks. Most draft watchers had him rated 30-50. The two players taken after him in the draft - Ed Richards and Zac Bailey. A fail of epic proportions.
                            To be fair. Ling had some injury concerns and we didn't address them well. His foot continually got worse until he could not e=walk on it at all. After rehab we thought it was good and the foot goes again. Out for nearly two seasons. Then something else stuffed up. He is a reasonable player in the SANFL. But injuries are still a concern. His body let him down not his talent. Can still that on occasions in the SANFL. No wonder they wanted him.

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                            • BRS328
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Feb 2018
                              • 438

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wolftone57

                              Dean Towers was a good player. He was a meture age pick so had less time to develop. Developing in country footy and the reserves is different than developing in an AFL atmosphere
                              Zac was ok but made far too many kicking errors. But we knew kicking wan't a strength
                              Ollie played 189 games FFS. He wasn't a dud at all
                              Logan has kicked quite a few goals and he is still developing
                              Gus is not a blow out yet. He's getting there
                              Will Green is a ruckman. They take time to develop. There is still time yet
                              Jesse hasn't even had a chance yet. Spent most of his first year injured.

                              you are the sdort of person who throws the ticket away before the raffle is drawn.

                              Now let me tell you about all the Rookie Selections and picks Beetson got right;

                              Lewis Roberts-Thompson 29
                              Adam Schneider 60
                              Sean Dempster 34
                              Nick Malceski 64
                              Paul Bevan Rookie 64
                              Amon Buchanan 45
                              Jarred Moore 31
                              Heath Grundy Rookie 42
                              Keiran Jack Rookie 57
                              Dan Hannaberry 37
                              Mike Pyke Rookie 57
                              Gary Rohan 6
                              Lewis Jetta 14
                              Sam Reid 38
                              Luke Parker 40
                              Alex Johnson 57
                              Matt Spangher 73
                              Tom Mitchell 21
                              Shane Biggs Rookie 13
                              Harry Cunningham Rookie 93
                              Jake Lloyd Rookie 16
                              Dane Rampe Rookie 37
                              George Hewett 32
                              Toby Nankervis 35
                              Aliir Aliir 35
                              Isaac Heeney 18
                              Nick Newman Rookie 35
                              Lewis Melican Rookie 52
                              Callum Mills 3
                              Jordan Dawson 56
                              Tom Papley Rookie 14
                              Harry Marsh Rookie 32
                              Collin O'Riordan Rookie 69
                              ollie Florent 11
                              Will Hayward 21
                              Darcy Cameron 48
                              Robbie Fox Rookie 34
                              Tom McCartin 34
                              Joel Amartey Rookie 28
                              James Rowbottom 25
                              Justin McInerney 44
                              Chad Warner 39
                              Logan McDonald 4
                              Braedon Campbell 5
                              Errol Gulden 32
                              Angus Sheldrick 18
                              Matthew Roberts 34
                              Corey Wwrner 40

                              i think they have all been ok for us. Some outright stars.

                              The trouble with staying up near the top of the ladder for so long is you never get the true Elite talent. You are picking from a group of about 40-60 players for your first two rounds. Every other bugger lower in the draft is too. It is a lottery at that stage. The bottom teams get the big picks.
                              Wow. That is an impressive list, and there are around 20 premiership players in that list, albeit some at other clubs, but you cannot blame KB for that.
                              There is someone who should be eating large chunks of humble pie based on this.
                              Just shows what a great job KB has done over the years

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