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  • liz
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    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16791

    #16
    The Mooney and Davis situations are not identical. Geelong are frustrated with Mooney's onfield transgressions, relatively minor, though clearly of some consequence, acts of undisciplined aggression.

    Although the "form and fitness" line was trotted out with Davis, it seems pretty clear that there was slightly more to it with Davis, and that he has not always adhered to club rules designed to ensure he and his team mates always front up in the best possible shape for a match. None of us - not the Davis apologists; not the Roos apologists - actually knows the extent or persistance of these issues but even Davis has acknowledged that they do (or did) exist.

    Further, Mooney has been a consistently good onfield performer this year for Geelong. He would almost certainly be in their top 5 in their B&F this year. Notwithstanding the fact that Davis in undoubtedly capable of flashes of brilliance that few, if any, of the other Swans are able to produce, we saw it so rarely this year up to the point he was dropped that it is not a no-brainer that the team is currently better with him in than without him.

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    • Matt79
      Bring it on!
      • Sep 2004
      • 3143

      #17
      Originally posted by Sanecow
      If it was accidental you don't have any point at all.
      Incorrect, you made the point that Geelong had won a 'premiership' more recently than us.

      I replied by saying I am more than happy to get knocked out first round than win the pre season cup. I would much rather go on and win the real premiership than bask in the so called glory of a pre season victory anyday.
      Swannies for life!

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      • JudesaGun
        On the Rookie List
        • Sep 2003
        • 554

        #18
        Face it everyone, Davis is a cocky little @@@@ who got what he deserved! There's no harm in giving him a few more weeks to stew on it. He's been given that many chances and easy runs in the past (he said he wanted to quit AFL, to play NRL FFS!), it is about time someone put him in his place. The simple fact is, a routine 1-2 weeks in the 2s would have done nothing to discourage his behaviour. For the first time in his life, he has to work for something and it will only make him a better person and a better player!
        Sanford Wheeler 4 President!

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        • Swanner
          On the Rookie List
          • Mar 2006
          • 186

          #19
          I'm with Roosy

          I couldn't care less if Cam Mooney comes back or not.

          What is absolutely certain is that Roos is the best coach in the competition.

          If he wanted to leave Sydney he could have any other coaches job.

          We are lucky we have him as coach.

          IMO i would like Davis back straight away as i really enjoy watching him play. What i would like even better though is Davis playing at his absolute best...because as the Gelong games shows... he is a matchwinner.

          I reckon that he needs to be put out of his comfort zone a lot to get the best out of him.

          This is what Roos is doing and it sounds like Davis is responding well. So why don't we lay of Roosy.

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          • Sanecow
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Mar 2003
            • 6917

            #20
            Originally posted by Matt79
            Incorrect, you made the point that Geelong had won a 'premiership' more recently than us.
            Well, because they have.

            Originally posted by Matt79
            I replied by saying I am more than happy to get knocked out first round than win the pre season cup.
            An odd preference.

            Originally posted by Matt79
            I would much rather go on and win the real premiership than bask in the so called glory of a pre season victory anyday.
            Half the teams lose in round one of the preseason and I'm pretty sure they don't all win in September.

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            • nugget
              On the Rookie List
              • Feb 2004
              • 72

              #21
              Re: I'm with Roosy

              Originally posted by Swanner
              I couldn't care less if Cam Mooney comes back or not.

              What is absolutely certain is that Roos is the best coach in the competition.

              If he wanted to leave Sydney he could have any other coaches job.

              We are lucky we have him as coach.

              IMO i would like Davis back straight away as i really enjoy watching him play. What i would like even better though is Davis playing at his absolute best...because as the Gelong games shows... he is a matchwinner.

              I reckon that he needs to be put out of his comfort zone a lot to get the best out of him.

              This is what Roos is doing and it sounds like Davis is responding well. So why don't we lay of Roosy.
              You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.

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              • hammo
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2003
                • 5554

                #22
                Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                Originally posted by nugget
                You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.
                I think Lethal is the best coach with Roos a close second.

                If Davo is selected tonight I may change my view
                "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                • Matt79
                  Bring it on!
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 3143

                  #23
                  Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                  Originally posted by nugget
                  You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.
                  Who is better then and why?
                  Swannies for life!

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                  • Sanecow
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 6917

                    #24
                    Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                    Originally posted by Matt79
                    Who is better then and why?
                    Coaches with more premierships to their name.

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                    • Matt79
                      Bring it on!
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 3143

                      #25
                      Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                      Originally posted by Sanecow
                      Coaches with more premierships to their name.
                      Stupid theory.

                      Should we get Malcom Blight to the Swans beacuse he has more premierships than Paul Roos?
                      Swannies for life!

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                      • Sanecow
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 6917

                        #26
                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                        Originally posted by Matt79
                        Stupid theory.

                        Should we get Malcom Blight to the Swans beacuse he has more premierships than Paul Roos?
                        Firstly, we are talking about current coaches and secondly, if you don't judge a coach by the number of premierships he's won, what metric do you use?

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                        • Young Blood
                          On the rise
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 541

                          #27
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                          Originally posted by Sanecow
                          Firstly, we are talking about current coaches and secondly, if you don't judge a coach by the number of premierships he's won, what metric do you use?
                          You might use that metric to judge their performance over the course of their careers, but not at a given point in time. For example, there's no way that Denis Pagan and Kevin Sheedy have coached better over the past 2 years than Paul Roos, Neil Craig and John Worsfold - and that's taking into account the relative ability of the players at their disposal.

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                          • Sanecow
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 6917

                            #28
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                            Originally posted by Young Blood
                            You might use that metric to judge their performance over the course of their careers, but not at a given point in time. For example, there's no way that Denis Pagan and Kevin Sheedy have coached better over the past 2 years than Paul Roos, Neil Craig and John Worsfold - and that's taking into account the relative ability of the players at their disposal.
                            Nonsense. Pagan and Sheedy could coach the 2006 Sydney, Adelaide or West Coast lists to victories over Carlton or Essendon any week you want to try it out. Moreover, Sheedy has coached his rabble to multiple victories over Sydney this year.

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                            • Ruck'n'Roll
                              Ego alta, ergo ictus
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 3990

                              #29
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                              I've been a Swan fan for a long time and I've seen lots and lots of spectacular/entertaining/controversial Swans players (look at all the Brownlow medalists we produce). And frankly I've had my fill of them! On the other hand I've only ever seen one ultimately successfull Swans team, and I've nowhere near had my fill of premierships.
                              So Raul Roos can instruct his players to play whatever style he likes, he can crush Nick Davis' precious talent as much as neccasary, I don't care. I want another Flag and Paul Roos seems by far the most likely coach to achieve that end.

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                              • Young Blood
                                On the rise
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 541

                                #30
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

                                Originally posted by Sanecow
                                Nonsense. Pagan and Sheedy could coach the 2006 Sydney, Adelaide or West Coast lists to victories over Carlton or Essendon any week you want to try it out. Moreover, Sheedy has coached his rabble to multiple victories over Sydney this year.
                                That's not the point. I'm saying that Roos, Craig and Worsfold would do better with any given team than Pagan or Sheedy would with the same
                                group.

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