Pay attention Roos

[liz]

The Mooney and Davis situations are not identical. Geelong are frustrated with Mooney's onfield transgressions, relatively minor, though clearly of some consequence, acts of undisciplined aggression.

Although the "form and fitness" line was trotted out with Davis, it seems pretty clear that there was slightly more to it with Davis, and that he has not always adhered to club rules designed to ensure he and his team mates always front up in the best possible shape for a match. None of us - not the Davis apologists; not the Roos apologists - actually knows the extent or persistance of these issues but even Davis has acknowledged that they do (or did) exist.

Further, Mooney has been a consistently good onfield performer this year for Geelong. He would almost certainly be in their top 5 in their B&F this year. Notwithstanding the fact that Davis in undoubtedly capable of flashes of brilliance that few, if any, of the other Swans are able to produce, we saw it so rarely this year up to the point he was dropped that it is not a no-brainer that the team is currently better with him in than without him.

[Matt79]

Originally posted by Sanecow
If it was accidental you don't have any point at all.

Incorrect, you made the point that Geelong had won a 'premiership' more recently than us.

I replied by saying I am more than happy to get knocked out first round than win the pre season cup. I would much rather go on and win the real premiership than bask in the so called glory of a pre season victory anyday.

[JudesaGun]

Face it everyone, Davis is a cocky little @@@@ who got what he deserved! There's no harm in giving him a few more weeks to stew on it. He's been given that many chances and easy runs in the past (he said he wanted to quit AFL, to play NRL FFS!), it is about time someone put him in his place. The simple fact is, a routine 1-2 weeks in the 2s would have done nothing to discourage his behaviour. For the first time in his life, he has to work for something and it will only make him a better person and a better player!

[Swanner]

I'm with Roosy

I couldn't care less if Cam Mooney comes back or not.

What is absolutely certain is that Roos is the best coach in the competition.

If he wanted to leave Sydney he could have any other coaches job.

We are lucky we have him as coach.

IMO i would like Davis back straight away as i really enjoy watching him play. What i would like even better though is Davis playing at his absolute best...because as the Gelong games shows... he is a matchwinner.

I reckon that he needs to be put out of his comfort zone a lot to get the best out of him.

This is what Roos is doing and it sounds like Davis is responding well. So why don't we lay of Roosy.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Matt79
Incorrect, you made the point that Geelong had won a 'premiership' more recently than us.

Well, because they have.

Originally posted by Matt79
I replied by saying I am more than happy to get knocked out first round than win the pre season cup.

An odd preference.

Originally posted by Matt79
I would much rather go on and win the real premiership than bask in the so called glory of a pre season victory anyday.

Half the teams lose in round one of the preseason and I'm pretty sure they don't all win in September.

[nugget]

Re: I'm with Roosy

Originally posted by Swanner
I couldn't care less if Cam Mooney comes back or not.

What is absolutely certain is that Roos is the best coach in the competition.

If he wanted to leave Sydney he could have any other coaches job.

We are lucky we have him as coach.

IMO i would like Davis back straight away as i really enjoy watching him play. What i would like even better though is Davis playing at his absolute best...because as the Gelong games shows... he is a matchwinner.

I reckon that he needs to be put out of his comfort zone a lot to get the best out of him.

This is what Roos is doing and it sounds like Davis is responding well. So why don't we lay of Roosy.

You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.

[hammo]

Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

Originally posted by nugget
You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.

I think Lethal is the best coach with Roos a close second.

If Davo is selected tonight I may change my view

[Matt79]

Re: Re: I'm with Roosy

Originally posted by nugget
You are joking if you seriously think Paul Roos is the best coach in the competition. Paul Roos does a very good job, but best, I don't think so.

Who is better then and why?

[Sanecow]

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Originally posted by Matt79
Who is better then and why?

Coaches with more premierships to their name.

[Matt79]

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Originally posted by Sanecow
Coaches with more premierships to their name.

Stupid theory.

Should we get Malcom Blight to the Swans beacuse he has more premierships than Paul Roos?

[Sanecow]

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Originally posted by Matt79
Stupid theory.

Should we get Malcom Blight to the Swans beacuse he has more premierships than Paul Roos?

Firstly, we are talking about current coaches and secondly, if you don't judge a coach by the number of premierships he's won, what metric do you use?

[Young Blood]

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Originally posted by Sanecow
Firstly, we are talking about current coaches and secondly, if you don't judge a coach by the number of premierships he's won, what metric do you use?

You might use that metric to judge their performance over the course of their careers, but not at a given point in time. For example, there's no way that Denis Pagan and Kevin Sheedy have coached better over the past 2 years than Paul Roos, Neil Craig and John Worsfold - and that's taking into account the relative ability of the players at their disposal.

[Sanecow]

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Originally posted by Young Blood
You might use that metric to judge their performance over the course of their careers, but not at a given point in time. For example, there's no way that Denis Pagan and Kevin Sheedy have coached better over the past 2 years than Paul Roos, Neil Craig and John Worsfold - and that's taking into account the relative ability of the players at their disposal.

Nonsense. Pagan and Sheedy could coach the 2006 Sydney, Adelaide or West Coast lists to victories over Carlton or Essendon any week you want to try it out. Moreover, Sheedy has coached his rabble to multiple victories over Sydney this year.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

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I've been a Swan fan for a long time and I've seen lots and lots of spectacular/entertaining/controversial Swans players (look at all the Brownlow medalists we produce). And frankly I've had my fill of them! On the other hand I've only ever seen one ultimately successfull Swans team, and I've nowhere near had my fill of premierships.
So Raul Roos can instruct his players to play whatever style he likes, he can crush Nick Davis' precious talent as much as neccasary, I don't care. I want another Flag and Paul Roos seems by far the most likely coach to achieve that end.

[Young Blood]

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Originally posted by Sanecow
Nonsense. Pagan and Sheedy could coach the 2006 Sydney, Adelaide or West Coast lists to victories over Carlton or Essendon any week you want to try it out. Moreover, Sheedy has coached his rabble to multiple victories over Sydney this year.

That's not the point. I'm saying that Roos, Craig and Worsfold would do better with any given team than Pagan or Sheedy would with the same
group.