Pay attention Roos

[AussieAnge]

Originally posted by swannymum
Can anyone here claim to be perfect??

Heaps can claim to be perfect and they probably will.

[Sanecow]

There are some people on RWO who truly believe that Paul Roos is.

[originalswan]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Since 2002, Leigh Matthews, Mark Williams and Neil Craig have better win % than Roos and Leigh Matthews and Mark Williams have the same number or more premierships. These coaches all have performed better than Roos over the same period.

Where did you get these so called FACTS? Neil Craig only started coaching in 2004 (so how do you use the base year of 2002?)- Prior to this season his winning percentage was 65% - Mark Williams' winning rate is 63% over 7 seasons up to 2005 - Surely this has fallen this year!!! Surprisingly for a four time Premiership coach Leigh Matthews' winning rate over his coaching career up to the end of 2005 was 62%. NOTE: Paul Roos' winning rate to the end of 2005 was 63% YES statistics can be used to sway any argument can't they???

[Nico]

Re: Re: Re: Pay attention Roos

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Sydney have won 1 in 73 years. If not for some individual brilliance against Geelong it would be 0. Just because the club won a premiership last season does not make Roos or his lackeys infallible.

John "lacky" Longmire.

Ross "lacky" Lyon.

Peter "lacky" Jonas.

Have a certain ring to them.

[Nico]

Originally posted by liz
The Mooney and Davis situations are not identical. Geelong are frustrated with Mooney's onfield transgressions, relatively minor, though clearly of some consequence, acts of undisciplined aggression.

Although the "form and fitness" line was trotted out with Davis, it seems pretty clear that there was slightly more to it with Davis, and that he has not always adhered to club rules designed to ensure he and his team mates always front up in the best possible shape for a match. None of us - not the Davis apologists; not the Roos apologists - actually knows the extent or persistance of these issues but even Davis has acknowledged that they do (or did) exist.

Further, Mooney has been a consistently good onfield performer this year for Geelong. He would almost certainly be in their top 5 in their B&F this year. Notwithstanding the fact that Davis in undoubtedly capable of flashes of brilliance that few, if any, of the other Swans are able to produce, we saw it so rarely this year up to the point he was dropped that it is not a no-brainer that the team is currently better with him in than without him.

Thanks for that Paul.

[Nico]

Originally posted by FootyontheBrain
So let me get this straight. Roosy's supposed to pay attention to the musings of Mark Thompson and the consistently underachieving Geelong Cats?

Maybe we could set up a conference call with Grant Thomas and Chris Connolly for some of their pearls of wisdom while we're at it.

I am with you Brain, Roosey will do me.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by originalswan
Where did you get these so called FACTS? Neil Craig only started coaching in 2004 (so how do you use the base year of 2002?)- Prior to this season his winning percentage was 65% - Mark Williams' winning rate is 63% over 7 seasons up to 2005 - Surely this has fallen this year!!! Surprisingly for a four time Premiership coach Leigh Matthews' winning rate over his coaching career up to the end of 2005 was 62%. NOTE: Paul Roos' winning rate to the end of 2005 was 63% YES statistics can be used to sway any argument can't they???

Follow the link, genius. I chose 2002 because Roos started coaching in 2002.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Well @@@@ me, if you don't consider win % or premierships as a measurement, then what is it he's meant to be doing exactly? Making good wise cracks at press conferences? Trotting around in tracky dacks?

Venomous today aren't we?

Simple fact is that Roos took over a team that was 3 wins out of 12 starts in 2002, having lost their last 6 games in a row (3 of them at home). Tony Lockett had made an aborted attempt to return and resurrect the team, Schwatta had abruptly retired, and the team was seen as a certainty for the spoon the next year. Dont forget all that.

In the space of three years, despite the retirements of two TOC players in Kelly and Cressa, arguably one of our best FBs in Dunkley, and Bazza's renowned anger having already cost him 5 games in only his first year at the Swans, we won a premiership.

Over those three years, we were the only team to even coming close to breaking even with one of the best teams ever assembled in the Lions. We also beat the most successful (in % terms) team in Port at their own ground in a QF in the year we were tipped to finish last. And we succesfully negotiated past three teams tipped to be dominant over the next decade in the Saints, Geelong and WCE on the way to the flag.

You can bag him all you like Cow, but his record stands for itself, and you'll never convince me he is anything other than brilliant. And let's not forget his brilliance as a player to boot.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Venomous today aren't we?

Simple fact is that Roos took over a team that was 3 wins out of 12 starts in 2002, having lost their last 6 games in a row (3 of them at home). Tony Lockett had made an aborted attempt to return and resurrect the team, Schwatta had abruptly retired, and the team was seen as a certainty for the spoon the next year. Dont forget all that.

In the space of three years, despite the retirements of two TOC players in Kelly and Cressa, arguably one of our best FBs in Dunkley, and Bazza's renowned anger having already cost him 5 games in only his first year at the Swans, we won a premiership.

Over those three years, we were the only team to even coming close to breaking even with one of the best teams ever assembled in the Lions. We also beat the most successful (in % terms) team in Port at their own ground in a QF in the year we were tipped to finish last. And we succesfully negotiated past three teams tipped to be dominant over the next decade in the Saints, Geelong and WCE on the way to the flag.

You can bag him all you like Cow, but his record stands for itself, and you'll never convince me he is anything other than brilliant. And let's not forget his brilliance as a player to boot.

As I just said, Roosey will do me. How can anyone genuinely argue against that one Schneids. By the way your boy is just running into form and loves the "G".

[originalswan]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Follow the link, genius. I chose 2002 because Roos started coaching in 2002

Absolute Genius using 2002 for Craigs statistics EVEN BEFORE HE started to coach - Absolute Genius!!!!!

What about my comparative statistics no reply???

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by originalswan
Absolute Genius using 2002 for Craigs statistics EVEN BEFORE HE started to coach - Absolute Genius!!!!!

It includes every game coached since 2002. Craig only has half as many games as Roos but win % is a ratio so big deal. It is a comparison of Craig and Roos total coaching careers.

Originally posted by originalswan
What about my comparative statistics no reply???

Ignored as irrelevant: "prior to this season" / "up until the end of 2005" etc. Of course if you cherry pick you can prove what you want. This is why I have suggested comparing the win % and premierships won since Roos started coaching. Feel free to actually follow the link.

[smartplay]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Venomous today aren't we?

Simple fact is that Roos took over a team that was 3 wins out of 12 starts in 2002, having lost their last 6 games in a row (3 of them at home). Tony Lockett had made an aborted attempt to return and resurrect the team, Schwatta had abruptly retired, and the team was seen as a certainty for the spoon the next year. Dont forget all that.

In the space of three years, despite the retirements of two TOC players in Kelly and Cressa, arguably one of our best FBs in Dunkley, and Bazza's renowned anger having already cost him 5 games in only his first year at the Swans, we won a premiership.

Over those three years, we were the only team to even coming close to breaking even with one of the best teams ever assembled in the Lions. We also beat the most successful (in % terms) team in Port at their own ground in a QF in the year we were tipped to finish last. And we succesfully negotiated past three teams tipped to be dominant over the next decade in the Saints, Geelong and WCE on the way to the flag.

You can bag him all you like Cow, but his record stands for itself, and you'll never convince me he is anything other than brilliant. And let's not forget his brilliance as a player to boot.

I will put the argument that Roos is no big deal:
1) we won last year final with excellent luck due to relative injury free run and many injured opponents in the final games. Top credit should be given to the Swan physical fitness guy. I dont believe Roo has much input this area.

2) Swan has a core team of players that have matured over the past years with Hall, Ball, Goodes etc. Lockett in his last few years with the Swan was hampering Swan progress due to his lack of mobility - an easy target for opponents to negate his influence/stop Swan winning progress despite the strength of Cresa/kelly. The totally immoible strong Dunkley has more disadvantages than advantages eg unable to attack or lead out from the back. All it takes is a reasonable thinking coach to harness the player strength and go with the new "faster" game techniques, including running full forward & mobile/attacking full back. A coach of Blight or richmond coach calibre would have seen this immediately. And Hall had to make the decision whether he wanted to go the "bad" bustling ways & copped heavier suspensions & inflict pain to hs team or turn over a new leaf. Roo was lucky that he inherited the swan team and hall's turn around. Any good coach would be able to turn hall around.

3) He constantly put down the players before many games in the past, such as saying that we are not champions, we dont have star quality material etc etc. Why are there not MORE encouragement from him to bring up the players strength/moral/confidence BEFORE many game began in the past(I am not referring to his comments after the games when the results are already known)

4) Earlier in the competition this year, he has "false pride" in just playing the same players without introducing (&training) good reserve players though there were clear evidence there was a strong need for the good reserve to come in earlier, rather than continuing semi-injured players eg Crouch or continuing out of form players eg Mathew. We are very lucky that we won in the past few games when many new players were introduced at the SAME time. Wrong approach.

5) From the current Davis affair, he appears to be a control freak & appears to be beating around the bush for not recalling Davis.
The current team, including Davis, has GIVEN him alot. Cut THEM them some slack. If Davis has a real problem, say whatever it is since it is in the open because there are many Swan supporters who love to see him in action to help HIS team.

he was very lucky to inherit the current swan team. another good coach could have done better at this point of time.

[originalswan]

Originally posted by smartplay
. he was very lucky to inherit the current swan team. another good coach could have done better at this point of time.

Perhaps 2 or 3 Premierships?

Did you follow the Swans when Rodney Eade was coaching in his last year? Didn't you see the immediate turn around in form and attitude from the very same players.

Roosy came in with a five year plan to deliver the ultimate. He did it in 3 full seasons - I may not agree with everything that Roosy may do but how can you actually question what he has contributed, especially in galvanising the team and delivering a Premiership. Some people will simply never be happy!

[Matt79]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Well @@@@ me, if you don't consider win % or premierships as a measurement, then what is it he's meant to be doing exactly? Making good wise cracks at press conferences? Trotting around in tracky dacks?

Cow, sometimes I find your posts thoughtful and well thought out but your arguement on Paul Roos is flawed.

He came to the the club in 2002 with a 3 year plan to win a premiership. In the third year, he and the players delivered. He has followed that up with a season thus far that has been competitive and we are on the cusp on challenging yet again.

What more do you want or expect from Paul Roos or the club at this present time?

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Matt79
What more do you want or expect from Paul Roos or the club at this present time?

That they field the best available team.