Pay attention Roos

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by smartplay
I will put the argument that Roos is no big deal:
1) we won last year final with excellent luck due to relative injury free run and many injured opponents in the final games. Top credit should be given to the Swan physical fitness guy. I dont believe Roo has much input this area.

2) Swan has a core team of players that have matured over the past years with Hall, Ball, Goodes etc. Lockett in his last few years with the Swan was hampering Swan progress due to his lack of mobility - an easy target for opponents to negate his influence/stop Swan winning progress despite the strength of Cresa/kelly. The totally immoible strong Dunkley has more disadvantages than advantages eg unable to attack or lead out from the back. All it takes is a reasonable thinking coach to harness the player strength and go with the new "faster" game techniques, including running full forward & mobile/attacking full back. A coach of Blight or richmond coach calibre would have seen this immediately. And Hall had to make the decision whether he wanted to go the "bad" bustling ways & copped heavier suspensions & inflict pain to hs team or turn over a new leaf. Roo was lucky that he inherited the swan team and hall's turn around. Any good coach would be able to turn hall around.

3) He constantly put down the players before many games in the past, such as saying that we are not champions, we dont have star quality material etc etc. Why are there not MORE encouragement from him to bring up the players strength/moral/confidence BEFORE many game began in the past(I am not referring to his comments after the games when the results are already known)

4) Earlier in the competition this year, he has "false pride" in just playing the same players without introducing (&training) good reserve players though there were clear evidence there was a strong need for the good reserve to come in earlier, rather than continuing semi-injured players eg Crouch or continuing out of form players eg Mathew. We are very lucky that we won in the past few games when many new players were introduced at the SAME time. Wrong approach.

5) From the current Davis affair, he appears to be a control freak & appears to be beating around the bush for not recalling Davis.
The current team, including Davis, has GIVEN him alot. Cut THEM them some slack. If Davis has a real problem, say whatever it is since it is in the open because there are many Swan supporters who love to see him in action to help HIS team.

he was very lucky to inherit the current swan team. another good coach could have done better at this point of time.

smartplay? Hahahaha. Love the irony. You truly are a very bad advertisement for the pro-Davis clan and anti-Roos movement. This has to be the worst post I've ever read. Yes Mr Roos, you MUST come out and tell us the PROBLEM. You have to , you must, I demand you!

[Sanecow]

smartplay >>>> Chow-Chicker

Argue with 3 or 4 if you can.

3. Fact: Roos publically hangs @@@@ on his list in order to build his image as a coach who can drag a "blue collar" team to victory.

4. Fact: Roos persisted with injured and out of form players in games which we lost (and Williams admitted he shouldn't have played!); with fit players in those games, we would have had greater chance of success.

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by Sanecow
smartplay >>>> Chow-Chicker

Argue with 3 or 4 if you can.

3. Fact: Roos publically hangs @@@@ on his list in order to build his image as a coach who can drag a "blue collar" team to victory.

4. Fact: Roos persisted with injured and out of form players in games which we lost (and Williams admitted he shouldn't have played!); with fit players in those games, we would have had greater chance of success.

Simple;

1. We won the flag last year.

2. We are currently 4th on the ladder with 4 games to go in the season. Good chance of making the GF this season, and as last season proved, we cannot be underestimated.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by anniswan
Knees and Hamstrings are not only luck related, they relate to the conditioning that the players have. Nathan Gibbs is the best in the business and the players are educated into how to land and play to avoin injuries.

My son has bad hamstring problems and we are seeing a physio that was the physio for the Ashes team in the 80's. He reckons that a lot of Hamstring injuries can be avoided with excercise and conditioning

I won't believe that luck is the reason for our lack of injuries, it is well documented that our medical staff are the best in the business

Knees are not conditioning related. Awkward landings can't be helped. When a hamstring tears from the bone, such as Lloyd, that's luck.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Knees are not conditioning related. Awkward landings can't be helped. When a hamstring tears from the bone, such as Lloyd, that's luck.

While I acept the lack of direct causative link, I'm not so sure conditioning isn't a factor. In my case I think that my fatigued state was a contributing factor to my misjudging my landing.

BTW
Does anyone else think this discussion sound just a tad Richmondesque?

[NMWBloods]

In some cases conditioning can have an affect, but in many cases serious injuries are just pure bad luck.

[floppinab]

Our coach and club have taken the seige mentality to very high levels this year.

I reckon it had been brewing over Roos first few years as coach with umpiring and Roos thoughts about code development in Sydney, but after Demetriou's comments last year, that was the last straw.
I think it has actually been quite calculated to galvanise the team, call it the Lleyton Hewitt method if you like. It's us vs. the media and the AFL.
You can hear it in a lot the public comments from the club. I know that the clubs relationship with AFLNSW is at an all time low. Player appearances have have been reduced. The AFL have had to pay the Swans on a few occasions for the privelidge of having the Swans appear at a few functions. The players refer to the AFL as "the enemy".

This is all very well with regard to creating an environment to motivate the team into performing but I think the downside is the way the club is perceived externally, by supporters and by membership. I think this has gone some way (not all the way) to explaining why we haven't seen big crowd increases and and upsurge in support this year.

I think the Swans need to wind back the seige mentality just a little bit and put a bit more of an upbeat picture on life. That sort of attitude is only going to get us so far.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by floppinab
I think the Swans need to wind back the seige mentality just a little bit and put a bit more of an upbeat picture on life. That sort of attitude is only going to get us so far.

Because the previous 20years of ass-kissing by the Swans gained us SOOOO much more! What crap. All of the media farce the poor lads from South had to put up with when they moved up here, plus all of the crap they had to endure in the late 80's amounted to... nothing. Except a close call to fold the club in the early 90's.

The club is responsible only for its own survival. If that means cultivating interest within this state then they will help where they can. But the AFL has received an added $200-300million in their broadcast rights courtesy of the Swans and the NSW market, yet we'll be lucky to see any more than a tiny drop from it up here.

[floppinab]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Because the previous 20years of ass-kissing by the Swans gained us SOOOO much more! What crap. All of the media farce the poor lads from South had to put up with when they moved up here, plus all of the crap they had to endure in the late 80's amounted to... nothing. Except a close call to fold the club in the early 90's.

The club is responsible only for its own survival. If that means cultivating interest within this state then they will help where they can. But the AFL has received an added $200-300million in their broadcast rights courtesy of the Swans and the NSW market, yet we'll be lucky to see any more than a tiny drop from it up here.

$200-$300 mill....... that's close to a third of the rights, overstating it just a little I think.

The AFL have not treated the Swans well in recent times. I didn't suggest stopping it altogether but just winding back a little. There comes a point where you start to cut off your nose to spite your face and I think that's what they are doing now.

Several clubs have started to get more involved in footy development in Sydney. Recently one well known Melbourne club offered to sponsor a Sydney junior competition, their involvement borne out of the scholarship program (the genesis of which was suggested by the Swans). The Swans screamed blue murder, threatened to withdraw all player appearances to that area, etc. I would've thought they might've welcomed the competition or even made a counter-offer but no. Just because you win a premiership doesn't mean you have all the answers.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by anniswan
Knees and Hamstrings are not only luck related, they relate to the conditioning that the players have. Nathan Gibbs is the best in the business and the players are educated into how to land and play to avoin injuries.

My son has bad hamstring problems and we are seeing a physio that was the physio for the Ashes team in the 80's. He reckons that a lot of Hamstring injuries can be avoided with excercise and conditioning

I won't believe that luck is the reason for our lack of injuries, it is well documented that our medical staff are the best in the business

Ahhh... so we're just saving Nick's hammies for the finals?

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by floppinab
$200-$300 mill....... that's close to a third of the rights, overstating it just a little I think.

Not really. It was commonly acknowledged that in the previous round of negotiations, the $500mil they got was boosted by about $100mil because of the Sydney market. Then after the Swans win the GF, the number suddeny jumps up to $780mil. I reckon half or more of the jump was because of the potential our win had on total viewer numbers.

Let's not forget that NSW represents more than a third of the country's population, and Sydney alone about a quarter. Plus a really big chunk of the sponsorship dollars reside in Sydney too, so getting the Sydney based execs to understand the size of AFL's appeal often requires a strong presence on the Sydney airwaves.

And apologies to all of the other clubs out there, but getting the execs of Sydney-based companies (many of whom are heavily involved in the Rugger culture courtesy of private schooling), to appreciate AFL's pull relies on how they see Sydney travelling. To get the exposure improved for the AFL as a whole, I agree that the Sydney Swans have to be the primary team of focus up here. At least in the short to medium term.

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by Matt79
Cow, sometimes I find your posts thoughtful and well thought out

ROFLMAO

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by anniswan
Just want to see you get back to 5000 posts.

Sunbury U14's who finished with 1 defeat and a percentage of 1200 or so wouldn't have beaten the teams we have played against.

The ACT league is weaker than the Ballarat Football League and Riddell Football League put together.

The biggest thing we have in our favor once again this year is our injury/suspension record. We are second to none in this arena, and don't think this is an accidental thing, it's well planned with good conditioning and discipline.

GO YOU GOOD THINGS!!!!

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Piobaireachd
ROFLMAO

Shut up!

[AussieAnge]

Originally posted by Nico
That is very badly spelled dribble.

To quote Alanis Morriset (sp?) isn't it ironic?