Roos' obsession with his favourites.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by DST
Andrew Ireland and Ricky Barham, along with the board will have more to do with where we will be playing list wise in 2009 or 2010 when Roos does finish his coaching.

Pig's. Do you know how a the Swans work or do you just throw up enough insane ideas and hope a couple come up.

Coach Paul Roos confirmed yesterday that the leadership group has the final say, not only on who they would like to join the club but also on which players on the current list they are not comfortable playing with. With the tight-knit Bloods culture they have nurtured at the club, the character of players will be just as important as their playing ability.

"This morning we had a look at the [playing] list and we'll get the leadership group in tomorrow and talk through the list with them as well," Roos said. "The Everitt one is the one we keep getting asked about. We've [the coaches] spoken about him this morning, and we'll speak to our leadership group tomorrow about that, and then we'll probably proceed, based on whether our leadership group says 'yes' or 'no'.

[Captain]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
The issue is about how the club is coached and what will be left of the club when Roos wanders off. As for what you and a great many oher posters want to hear about... who the @@@@ cares? This forum is not for 'constructive criticism' - I expect that Roos pays it scant regard. It is about having an opinion and being provided with a place to express it. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't ask others to censor themselves to meet your tastes.

3) Trolling ? Deliberately posting on threads in an attempt to stir/bait other users will not be tolerated.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Captain
3) Trolling ? Deliberately posting on threads in an attempt to stir/bait other users will not be tolerated.

Siriusly . If you think that that was an attempt to stir up trouble I am genuinely flabergasted.

[DST]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Pig's. Do you know how a the Swans work or do you just throw up enough insane ideas and hope a couple come up.

Read my comments, I didn't say Roos or the players don't have a say in who comes to the club or stays from the current list.

What I did say however is that the board is the one who will chart the overall general direction of the club and it will be Andrew Ireland and Ricky Barham who will be responsible for putting that direction into place.

That system will have far more impact on where we stand as a club come round 1 2010 than Roos and the players having an input into who will or won't be on the list.

The way some people carry on, you would think that it was Roos who had the final say over every decision made at the club, good or bad.

DST

[Captain]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Siriusly . If you think that that was an attempt to stir up trouble I am genuinely flabergasted.

Who mentioned 'trouble'?

The anti Roos comments are quite deliberately being blown totally out of proportion in a lame attempt to "stir/bait" others.

[i'm-uninformed2]

How many nuff nuffs defending Roos on ALL counts were part of the sad little demo outside the club offices in 2002?

[hammo]

Originally posted by DST


The way some people carry on, you would think that it was Roos who had the final say over every decision made at the club, good or bad.

No, but Roos has delegated much of his decision making to his leadership group and captains.

This is where I think player empowerment has gone too far. The leadership group won't delist Ben Mathews but will recommend a youngster like Josh Willoughby be delisted so an aging ruckman like Spida can be added to the team to give them every chance at another flag before they retire (Roos' words).

Disclaimer: I actually support Spida's recruitment.

[Country Member]

My comments in a previous thread about the 'trolling troika" have been more than vindicated by the unmitigated rubbish they have spewed forth in this thread.
Sad really.

[Sanecow]

The Roos apologists techniques, print out and put it on your wall:

Ad Hom 1. Insult anyone who criticizes Roos - "turd" is funny.

Ad Hom 2. Insult any opinions that you disagree with - "unmitigated rubbish" and "spew" are particularly good. Be careful not to use logic, examples or any sourced information (all interviews are designed to bring Roos down by hacks*).

Ad Hom 3. Disregard quotes and interviews based on the reporter - *"hack" is a good word to throw in.

Ad Hom 4. Disregard quotes and interviews as being based on the poster's "interpretation" and "simplification" even if there are multiple direct quotes. Use words like "thesaurus" and "disect". This especially good if you go on to explain what Roos "really meant".

And if you feel particularly lazy, here's an easy one:

Claim that discussing Roos' actions and words is trolling, libelous, scandalous and ungrateful.

[Country Member]

Good summary. Your grasp of reality appears to be improving - keep up the good work.

[Industrial Fan]

Originally posted by Country Member
Good summary. Your grasp of reality appears to be improving - keep up the good work.

For and on behalf of sanecow:

Oh, you have clearly missed the "point"

Turd.

[AnnieH]

Gold star for your forehead, Sanecow.

[j s]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Claim that discussing Roos' actions and words is trolling, libelous, scandalous and ungrateful.

I just call it "boring".

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by j s
I just call it "boring".

2400+ posts and you think discussing the coach of your team is boring. Mmm.

[swansrock4eva]

To quote your quote:

"We've got an obligation to Kirky, Leo and Hally to give them the best chance they possibly can of getting the best out of their final years with the Sydney Swans," Roos said.

You seem to assume it was in response to a question along the lines of "so, out of all your players, who deserves to win another premiership the most?"

How do you know the question wasn't something like "So how about the 3 co-captains system, Paul? Do you see them winning a premiership each as captain at the club? If so, is that why you've picked up Spida - you think he might be the key?"

And how do you know Roos' response wasn't actually "We've got an obligation to Kirky, Leo and Hally to give them the best chance they possibly can of getting the best out of their final years with the Sydney Swans, and it's the obligation we have to other older players like Mick O'Loughlin, and even Tadhg Kennelly on his last contract with the club." Selectively edited and suddenly you have the spawn of Satan as coach in some people's eyes.

It's the same way the Nick Davis thing could have been started with "So Nick, you've been dropped to the reserves, do you think this makes you a scapegoat for last weekend's performance?" "Yeah, nah, it's one of those things, I have been a bit up and down, but personally I don't think I'm the only one. I guess you could say I've been made into a scapegoat, but by the same token that could be seen as clutching straws." Suddenly you have headlines "I've been made into a scapegoat!" and it goes from there.