Jolly, The Next Cox

[Triple B]

It's an interesting one. From the rulebook:

15.2.3 Holding the Football ? Prior Opportunity/No Prior Opportunity
Where the field Umpire is satisfied that a Player in possession of
the football:
(a) has had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if
the Player does not Kick or Handball the football immediately
when he or she is Correctly Tackled; or
(b) has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if,
upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly
Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after
being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.
(c) Except in the instance of a poor bounce or throw, a Player who
takes possession of the football while contesting a bounce
or throw by a field Umpire or a boundary throw in, shall be
regarded as having had prior opportunity.

It appears, rightly or wrongly, that fending off an opponent, when you are tackled once you have had prior opportunity, is not an option, you must kick or handball. I guess it could be well argued that Jolly fended off his tackler before a tackle was effected, but I reckon I've seen a heap of frees where the ruckman grabs the ball and gets freed when an opponent lays so much as a fingernail on him.

[NMWBloods]

The tackle is still meant to be a proper and effective one.

[stellation]

The tackle is still meant to be a proper and effective one.

That is my understanding too. The rule suggests that if you have taken the ball out of the ruck then you are deemed to have had prior opportunity, so if someone does tackle you then it is HTB/free kick instead of a choice of HTB/free kick or a bounce (for no prior opportunity). Nobody tackled Jolly.

[satchmopugdog]

I saw Cox play on Saturday at Aurora Stadium and he was a shadow of the player I saw before. He wasn't running as hard and they weren't using him as the link man the way they used to. I think last weekend Jolley played better than Cox.

[liz]

I saw Cox play on Saturday at Aurora Stadium and he was a shadow of the player I saw before. He wasn't running as hard and they weren't using him as the link man the way they used to. I think last weekend Jolley played better than Cox.

Cox is far from fit though. The football world is quick to come down on players who are playing below their best when they're clearly not totally fit. I realise that once you're out there, the injury effectively doesn't exist, but don't write Cox off. He's proved himself to be a top flight ruckman over a few years now and he will get back to that level at some point.

'Tis certainly very good to see Jolly playing at the moment. Whether it is the result of work that Spida and he are doing together at training, the effective of decent game day support, or just coincidence, his lift in value around the ground this year has been fantastic.

[reigning premier]

[QUOTE=liz;309684] I realise that once you're out there, the injury effectively doesn't exist, but don't write Cox off. He's proved himself to be a top flight ruckman over a few years now and he will get back to that level at some point.
[QUOTE]


Whilst he's certainly not the number one ruckman at the moment, he's by far the ugliest.

In fact, he'd give Fraser a run for his money in the Ugly 500!!

[AnnieH]

I realise that once you're out there, the injury effectively doesn't exist, but don't write Cox off. He's proved himself to be a top flight ruckman over a few years now and he will get back to that level at some point.

Whilst he's certainly not the number one ruckman at the moment, he's by far the ugliest.

In fact, he'd give Fraser a run for his money in the Ugly 500!!

now you've gone way too far rp.
magilla gorilla is 157.35% fuglier than cox.
i used the calculator, therefore it's gotta be right.
magilla gorilla fell out of the fugly tree and hit every fugly branch twice on the way down.
my six year old nephew says, "i really hate st kilda's number 9 ... he looks like a monkey". out of the mouth of babes!!

[Zlatorog]

Annie, you've been in a very good form lately...
What's your inspiration?

[TheHood]

It's an interesting one. From the rulebook:

15.2.3 Holding the Football ? Prior Opportunity/No Prior Opportunity
Where the field Umpire is satisfied that a Player in possession of
the football:
(a) has had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if
the Player does not Kick or Handball the football immediately
when he or she is Correctly Tackled; or
(b) has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if,
upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly
Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after
being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.
(c) Except in the instance of a poor bounce or throw, a Player who
takes possession of the football while contesting a bounce
or throw by a field Umpire or a boundary throw in, shall be
regarded as having had prior opportunity.

It appears, rightly or wrongly, that fending off an opponent, when you are tackled once you have had prior opportunity, is not an option, you must kick or handball. I guess it could be well argued that Jolly fended off his tackler before a tackle was effected, but I reckon I've seen a heap of frees where the ruckman grabs the ball and gets freed when an opponent lays so much as a fingernail on him.

The tackle was not applied correctly AND the bounce was a short one giving him another out. The Umps got that right IMO.

[AnnieH]

Annie, you've been in a very good form lately...
What's your inspiration?

goodsey.
we're both coming good at the same time.
we're in sync.

[ugg]

As Paul Gough points out, the evenness of this season's ruckman means that Jolly could well become an AA.

That is because on Champion Data's overall ranking points - on which kicks, marks, handballs and in particular goals are worth more than hit-outs and on which mistakes such as turnovers cause players to lose points - then Jolly comes in at No.1.

Jolly is averaging 96.9 points per game this year, well clear of second-placed White on 85.8 with Fraser third on 85.4 ahead of Lade on 83.8 and Sydney's Peter Everitt rounding out the top five with 83.7.

[liz]

There's been so much discussion in the AFL world about how Spida would go and observations on how he is starting to become an important part of the team that Jolly is flying under the radar. Long may that continue!!!

To have two of the top 5 effective ruckmen in the year despite some fluctuating team form is very encouraging.

[goswannie14]

There's been so much discussion in the AFL world about how Spida would go and observations on how he is starting to become an important part of the team that Jolly is flying under the radar. Long may that continue!!!

To have two of the top 5 effective ruckmen in the year despite some fluctuating team form is very encouraging.

It's what we really missed last year, not only in th GF but throughout the year.

[giant]

To have two of the top 5 effective ruckmen in the year despite some fluctuating team form is very encouraging.

And the tandem effect is really working well too, scoring goals when resting, and really working over the main opposition ruckman. And it's starting to impact opposition team selection too - witness Bombers being forced to drop a speedster and bring back the maligned Laycock.