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  • Damien
    Living in 2005
    • Jan 2003
    • 3713

    #31
    Originally posted by TheMase
    As a side note that is 0 wins and 6 night losses, and 6 wins and 0 day losses.
    We are being exposed.
    5-1 - we beat Melbourne at night. (A real strong Melbourne that night haha)

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    • Xie Shan
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 2929

      #32
      Originally posted by sharp9
      Well i was going to start a new thread before it occurred to me that I HAD SAID IT ALL BEFORE and I wouldn't want to bore you folks too much...
      Agree with most of that so won't quote the whole thing again. But after I read this article in today's Sun-Herald, I couldn't help thinking that the reason why we've apparently fallen into a heap is because of a lack of mental, rather than physical, skill:

      "The skill level of our elite athletes has reached a point where there is no longer a differentiation," says Freeman, whose cutting-edge ideas and methods have helped Australia earn Olympic gold medals.

      "The difference in skill levels has almost diminished. Take shooting a free throw: many AIS basketballers are as skilled at shooting free throws as Andrew Gaze. The difference is that Andrew is able to do it consistently under pressure."
      I think it's a bit more complex than just looking for players who have talent, what we need is players who can perform under pressure.

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      • Vivien
        On the Rookie List
        • Apr 2005
        • 261

        #33
        What? Did crouch play last night?!

        Agree with most of the sentiments in this thread so won't elaborate on my thoughts.

        Just wondering how it was possible for basically ALL of our players to have such a Barry Crocker? Usually you expect at least four or five blokes to have decent enough games, even if the rest of the side is woeful. But it seemed like everyone was terrible last night, save for maybe Goodes and O'Keefe.

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        • Margie
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2003
          • 800

          #34
          Originally posted by Vivien
          What? Did crouch play last night?!

          Agree with most of the sentiments in this thread so won't elaborate on my thoughts.

          Just wondering how it was possible for basically ALL of our players to have such a Barry Crocker? Usually you expect at least four or five blokes to have decent enough games, even if the rest of the side is woeful. But it seemed like everyone was terrible last night, save for maybe Goodes and O'Keefe.
          I wonder if Barry Hall's form could be an unsettling influence on the team.

          It's been mentioned in other threads that St Kilda kicked long against WCE today. Admittedly Kosi and Reiwoldt were marking well, but perhaps we should just try it against Geelong. We couldn't do much worse.

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          • Nico
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 11339

            #35
            That night thing is really interesting. I have said for the last few seasons that we really struggle if there is one drop of rain or dew on the ground. Did you notice how we constantly slipped over last night, did the same against the Dons.

            I wonder if it has dawned on the coaching panel that we have such opposite day/night records.

            Talking about coaching, how much is the loss of Jonas affecting us?
            http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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            • sharp9
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2508

              #36
              As Bill Clinton would say..."it's the midfield stupid."

              We have been beaten in the midfield in nearly every game this year....and yet we stiull have conceded the least points in the whole comp! ie defence no too bad.

              We have won games with less forward sevice than any team in recorded history...so I don't think you can actually blame the forwards.

              It's the midfield....we....just....lack...talent (and pace)
              "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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              • Snake
                On the Rookie List
                • Mar 2007
                • 330

                #37
                Originally posted by barry
                McVeigh is @@@@
                Fosdike's kicking is @@@@
                Kirk's kicking is @@@@
                Phillips is @@@@ - Hes done absolutely nothing in the half dozen senior games he's played.
                Scheider is @@@@-scared of physical contact.
                Matthews is @@@@
                Crouch is now @@@@ and slow.

                Next.
                Yes Yes & Yes, But I would have put McVeigh a footballer with skills as good a maggot blown infected turd. He is rubbish, what is the postal address of Paul Roo's so I can send him my chopped up membership card!!!!!!!!!!

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                • Donners
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1061

                  #38
                  Originally posted by sharp9
                  The following players are below AFL average for all or most of the list below which makes up the category "talented"

                  Fumbling
                  Contested Marking
                  Delivery by hand
                  Delivery by foot
                  Clean hands on the ball in a fifty-fifty loose ball situation
                  Quick and good decision making/awareness

                  Jared Crouch
                  Ted Richards
                  Ben Mathews
                  Jarrad McVeigh
                  Paul Bevan
                  Jude Bolton
                  Nick Fosdike

                  In my opinion there is no longer any place for these players in the side and they should be replaced by less experienced but more talented young players (assuming they exist in the twos) and, by extension, the choice of players to elevate should be based on talent and potential....not on work rate and potential tagging ability.

                  Work rate can be learned...talent can only be honed.

                  To continue my rant...the following players have above average "talent"...even if some of them are out of form

                  Barry Hall
                  Peter Everitt
                  Leo Barry
                  Ryan O'Keefe
                  Nick Malceski
                  Michael O'Loughlin
                  Adam Goodes
                  Nick Davis
                  Tadhg Kennelly
                  Craig Bolton


                  Meaning all the rest have swings and roundabouts talent, when they're good they're brilliant and when they're bad they're not very good (as opposed to embarrassing!)


                  Amon Buchanan
                  Tim Schmidt
                  Luke Vogels
                  Luke Ablett
                  Brett Kirk
                  Sean Dempster
                  Adam Schneider
                  Darren Jolly
                  Stephen Doyle
                  Lewis Roberts-Thompson

                  We have to rebuild..so bring in the talent and see what happens. The time for trying to defend the Alamo is over. Our Good Ordinaries are just Ordinary now so let's get it over with.

                  Cheers
                  I agree for the most part, but I think if you are looking for "swings and roundabouts" type players, Barry, O'Loughlin and Everitt are definitely in that camp. O'Loughlin frequently has games where he has under 10 touches and no goals, Barry has been carved up repeatedly this season and Everitt only spends half the game on the ground.

                  Kirk, however, would be in the category of our best players. His disposal is questionable at times, but his possession count is always high and is work rate can never be doubted.

                  I think the biggest problem is that we have too many Kirks - ie. defensiive inside midfielders, as opposed to the running outside midfielders. We've never replaced Williams and Maxfield with like players, instead promoting more defensive players like Ablett and Bevan. Kennelly and Davis are the only half forward to wing players to provide the spark, and guess who was missing on the weekend?

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Donners
                    I think the biggest problem is that we have too many Kirks - ie. defensiive inside midfielders, as opposed to the running outside midfielders. We've never replaced Williams and Maxfield with like players, instead promoting more defensive players like Ablett and Bevan.
                    Exactly!
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • reigning premier
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 4335

                      #40
                      It's not our defence....

                      It's our fwd line.

                      If Mick O wasn't been having a cracker of a season, we would have been humiliated and looking at something more like 3-9.

                      Hall is being heavily tagged but that's no excuse for him dropping chest marks, the ball and missing set shots he's paid to kick. Absolutely woeful.

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Damien
                        5-1 - we beat Melbourne at night. (A real strong Melbourne that night haha)
                        Well we have 5 day games and 5 night games left, so assuming we beat some underdone tanking side at night once as in the first half of the season, we should win another 6 games and finish on 12 wins and probably finish 7th or 8th.

                        Lets hope the first elimination final isnt at night!

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