Round 16 - vs Eagles

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  • Margie
    Regular in the Side
    • Sep 2003
    • 800

    Originally posted by ROK Lobster
    For all the plaudits Kirk receives, does he ever do anything with the ball? He is the most over rated player in the AFL. He's a hard worker. He would not get a game at the Eagles. In terms of creative play, we have no midfield what so ever. I thought that West Coast were pretty ordinary tonight. At times we were woeful. At other times courageous, but with the exception of the odd piece of play, we never looked good.
    To be fair, we'd be lost without Kirk.

    And for all the plaudits Davis gets, he often looks a bit soft.

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      Originally posted by annew
      Grundy has got to be dumped - he is nowhere near up to the mark. He is the slowest dumbest player I have ever watched.
      I don't think he is much of a backman. He looks better further, much further up the ground.

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      • Robbo
        On the Rookie List
        • May 2007
        • 2946

        If we lose next week we're G-A-W-N.

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        • anniswan
          Footy Mother Big Time
          • Jan 2003
          • 2031

          cousins, judd and kerr made the difference. we were completely outclassed.

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          • Teasdale77
            On the Rookie List
            • Sep 2005
            • 66

            I don't think we matched up at all well with WCE - they're taller, quicker, smarter, more skilled - so we tended to try and shut the game down more. Short passes, lots of sideways movement of the ball, plenty of stoppages, play the ball to the wings and OOBs, flood back. That style of play tends to even out the game. It's when the other team breaks away by 4+ goals that we struggle to switch up the game plan to a more fluid, attacking style. Basically, we revert to 2005 play when facing the Eagles and there is no Plan B against them. We were exposed yet again this season as plodders.

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            • Foreign Legion
              Senior Player
              • Feb 2003
              • 3315

              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
              40 possessions. That's why they rave about him. That was an amazing comeback from him, to be able to run out a game like that, to touch it 38 times and probably pick up Brownlow votes. What the @@@@ does the fact that he has a drug problem have to do with it?

              But I agree about Bevo
              The drug problem is everything - he is a cheat - he broke AFL rules and general Law - you do understand that bit? His disposals were mostly junk so don't praise them too much.

              I wouldn't call it a comeback - he wasn't injured, he wasn't suspended - so exactly WHY did he miss so many games?

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              • ugg
                Can you feel it?
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 15961

                Originally posted by Robbo
                If we lose next week we're G-A-W-N.
                If we lose to Richmond at home we deserve to be gone.
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                • alison.z
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 988

                  Originally posted by Foreign Legion
                  I wouldn't call it a comeback - he wasn't injured, he wasn't suspended - so exactly WHY did he miss so many games?
                  exactly - he did it to himself ... by choice - so now why is he being treated like a hero

                  it is a stupid example to set to all people - take drugs, get away with it and then be worshiped on return

                  it's absolutely ridiculous!!!

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                  • Robbo
                    On the Rookie List
                    • May 2007
                    • 2946

                    If you look at the teams on paper then we did extremely well to get that close. But far out I'm tired of playing well when it's too late.

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                    • timthefish
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 940

                      Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                      40 possessions. That's why they rave about him. That was an amazing comeback from him, to be able to run out a game like that, to touch it 38 times and probably pick up Brownlow votes. What the @@@@ does the fact that he has a drug problem have to do with it?

                      But I agree about Bevo
                      yep and i loved the way cousins responded to the win - no grand-standing, no self-seeking appeals to the crowd or camera. the man had an awesome reputation as a person up until two years ago and we may see what that was and perhaps even see it restored (after acting like a complete tool for 18 months).

                      stunning comeback.

                      and yes, as an afl player, bevo makes for a great league meathead.
                      then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                      • Swannette
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 832

                        Like other similar instances of hero worship, the media lead the way in idolising and giving fame to these people, think Paris Hilton, when many of us really have no interest in their lives. In this case, Ben Cousins is a durg addict, a trait which goes against the grain for many of us, add to that the fact that he is still playing when if the afl's piss weak drug policy had been doing its job he would be long gone. He is seen as a cheat. I see him that way and always will. It doesn't matter how good he is, he is always tainted by his drug addition. Then you have the media just about having an orgasm about his comeback game, again, a reaction which we can do nothing about cause they're the media and we're nobodies.
                        Patterns emerge, but do they mean anything? No.

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                        • SimonH
                          Salt future's rising
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 1647

                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          ...
                          - We need a better forward structure/strategy
                          ...
                          - Why is so much of our game negative when we can be really effective when we attack?
                          How can we be effective when we attack if our forward structure/strategy isn't up to scratch? You got it right the 2nd time; we had an amazing proportion of forward 50 entries:scores tonight.

                          It worked nicely tonight because our lack of potential goalscoring forwards meant that ROK had to play closer to goal, which in turn meant we couldn't rely on him to manufacture his usual glut of forward 50 entries. So we relied on smalls to carry the ball through the middle and deliver the ball on the break, which created a few marks, but a lot more sharking opportunities for our small forwards.

                          Our 'tempo' chipping game didn't work tonight partly because of poor execution, and partly because a team as professional as the Weagles can often see where the next short kick is going, push numbers up and shut it down. It's horses for courses; against some teams (particularly many of the defensively-minded Victorian ones who are happy to fall back when we have the ball) it works fine.

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                          • ROK Lobster
                            RWO Life Member
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 8658

                            Originally posted by Foreign Legion
                            The drug problem is everything - he is a cheat - he broke AFL rules and general Law - you do understand that bit? His disposals were mostly junk so don't praise them too much.

                            I wouldn't call it a comeback - he wasn't injured, he wasn't suspended - so exactly WHY did he miss so many games?
                            If it was Judge Judy we were watching and the kept mentioning his possession count then I could understand the gripe. It was a football match, he was one of the best on ground. Kirk's possessions were largely junk too, and he didn;lt get anywhere near 40 of them...

                            Cousins is not a cheat as far as anyone knows. He tested positive to recreational drugs in the off season. He may well have a drug problem but it had nothing to do with his performance tonight.

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                            • Foreign Legion
                              Senior Player
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 3315

                              Anyone else think we got nothing out of our Ruckmen tonight?

                              I though Everitt was poor (33yo though) and Jolly was worse.

                              It is amazing how badly we can play against the Eagles and still get close (GF 2006) - maybe each side is 'scared' of each other?

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                              • timthefish
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 940

                                Originally posted by Foreign Legion
                                The drug problem is everything
                                maybe for you. personally, i see this as an excellent demonstration of why it was always really an issue about cousins' health.
                                then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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