Official Match Day Thread - Swans vs Richmond

[stellation]

Just checking the stats then all 6 of Bevan's marks were judged to be uncontested.

[NMWBloods]

It indicates he plays a pivotal role in the defense.

It does nothing of the sort.

[NMWBloods]

I have to agree. I think it is still an interesting stat to look at and useful to show someone has worked hard in a game, but I'll admit that as a general rule when looking at a defender who has racked up a heap of disposals one of the first things I look at is how many marks they have taken and use a lame formula along the lines of (disposals - uncontested marks = better indication)... I expand the lame forumla to (disposals - uncontested marks - handball receives = better indication) for looking at HBFers in the Eski mould. I don't really judge them any harsher for it, as it usually means they are doing their role very well, but it usually helps to put things into perspective.

Yes - they are very good points. Backmen have one or two jobs, usually two. One is to play defensively on their opponent and the other is to rebound from the back line.

The number of possessions is often meaningless in the backline as many of them are from receiving little chip passes around half back or receiving handballs running past to deliver another little chip pass to half back or the wing. Sometimes they can get 2, 3 or 4 possessions in rapid succession when the ball goes virtually nowhere.

What is critical for that aspect is the quality of the disposal. 'Eski is outstanding at this, Kennelly more so. Bevan not so much.

Bevan does better on the defensive aspect than he does on the disposal side, but it's still rather hit and miss.

[hammo]

The 6 uncontested marks may also be an indication that the Tigers didn't place much emphasis on marking up on him when we had the ball in our own backline, as they would have for Malceski or Tadhg who are far more dangerous with the ball.

This is also explains why Benny Mathews sometimes racks up huge possession numbers without having much influence on a game.

[connolly]

Yes - they are very good points. Backmen have one or two jobs, usually two. One is to play defensively on their opponent and the other is to rebound from the back line.

The number of possessions is often meaningless in the backline as many of them are from receiving little chip passes around half back or receiving handballs running past to deliver another little chip pass to half back or the wing. Sometimes they can get 2, 3 or 4 possessions in rapid succession when the ball goes virtually nowhere.

What is critical for that aspect is the quality of the disposal. 'Eski is outstanding at this, Kennelly more so. Bevan not so much.

Bevan does better on the defensive aspect than he does on the disposal side, but it's still rather hit and miss.

I think there is a third role and Bevo is playing it. Without making it seem too grand he is playing the role of a defensive pivot, a bit like a quarter back in gridiron. He had nine handpasses last match. Our running backs had far fewer indicating that Bevan's role is distributing the ball to the running backs, particularly to Malcevski and Kenneally. This is a role he is playing very well (without much recognition).

[NMWBloods]

I think there is a third role and Bevo is playing it. Without making it seem too grand he is playing the role of a defensive pivot, a bit like a quarter back in gridiron.

I think that's exactly what you are doing!!

[connolly]

I think that's exactly what you are doing!!

He gave off the second highest number of handpasses. His numbers are similar to that of a midfielder.

[connolly]

The 6 uncontested marks may also be an indication that the Tigers didn't place much emphasis on marking up on him when we had the ball in our own backline, as they would have for Malceski or Tadhg who are far more dangerous with the ball.

This is also explains why Benny Mathews sometimes racks up huge possession numbers without having much influence on a game.

He played on their two most dangerous small forwards, Brown and Pettifer. Generally the Tigers were terrible in defending the kick out and we had loose options everywhere. Maybe his teamates have confidence in him and he is playing his role really well.

[573v30]

Brown kicked 3.2 and had 16 touches, I'm assuming Bevan was his opponent for most of the game and if I'm right, then it's not good enough.

[connolly]

Brown kicked 3.2 and had 16 touches, I'm assuming Bevan was his opponent for most of the game and if I'm right, then it's not good enough.

Bevon had Brown for the first half. He pressed him really hard so that most of his touches were almost in the Ladies Stand. His first goal came from an unstoppable lace out after Kirky was beaten for pace and put no pressure on the midfielder. Browns second came from an outrageous push in Bevo's back after our man had outpositioned him. In the second half Bevon played on Pettifer and cleaned him up and kicked a gaol as he ran off him. Bevan had a very good game.

[stellation]

I thought that Bevan played quite well.

[NMWBloods]

He gave off the second highest number of handpasses. His numbers are similar to that of a midfielder.

Explains the state of our midfield...

[Nico]

Bevon had Brown for the first half. He pressed him really hard so that most of his touches were almost in the Ladies Stand. His first goal came from an unstoppable lace out after Kirky was beaten for pace and put no pressure on the midfielder. Browns second came from an outrageous push in Bevo's back after our man had outpositioned him. In the second half Bevon played on Pettifer and cleaned him up and kicked a gaol as he ran off him. Bevan had a very good game.

So Browney got his touches in the Ladies Stand, then he did have a very good night.

[connolly]

Explains the state of our midfield...

The point is that Bevan plays a defensive pivot role in the oppositions central forward corridor. We dominated the Tiges in their forward corridor. This role will be critical against Brissie and Geelong (they are using a long bomb game plan) who have very simple game plans of running or kicking the ball into their forward corridor. Strong defensive players who fill that coridor are critical. Step forward (or run backwards) Bevan.