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  • woo
    double vodka lemon pls
    • Sep 2005
    • 961

    barry hall

    ok I will start the thread (I didn't see another one already started)....

    umm....I know I am not alone in saying how well we played without him....nick davis had a cracker...as with magic, ROK, ....need I go on...umm...how do I say this...Can bazza not play vs the pies...?
    you know what they say, dirty pants- clean botty
  • Robbo
    On the Rookie List
    • May 2007
    • 2946

    #2
    He will be included this week because he's Barry Hall.

    They won't care about how well the forward line played without him.

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    • Jewels
      On the Rookie List
      • Oct 2006
      • 3258

      #3
      Originally posted by woo
      ok I will start the thread (I didn't see another one already started)....

      umm....I know I am not alone in saying how well we played without him....nick davis had a cracker...as with magic, ROK, ....need I go on...umm...how do I say this...Can bazza not play vs the pies...?
      It's certainly worth a thought after today isn't it? Our much vaunted forward line functioned for the first time this year!
      I love Bazza to bits, but gee.........

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      • DeadlyAkkuret
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2006
        • 4547

        #4
        He'll play. Roos will never be that daring.

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        • robbieando
          The King
          • Jan 2003
          • 2750

          #5
          Have any of you given thought to the fact that our forward line today took advantage of the improved team balance in defence and midfield and the run created from it which then meant the Hawthorn Defence couldn't stop whoever we kicked the ball to on a lead with or without Hall in the side?? Nor could they stop us in our attacks on goal from stoppages near goal which Hall hasn't had any impact on this year anyway?

          Yes ALL our forward did a great job. But if Hall did play would there of been much of a difference to the result/margin?

          I'm guess not much, but I'll agree we certainly were freed up to kick to whoever we wanted to and not just Hall like we always seem to do.
          Once was, now elsewhere

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          • Robbo
            On the Rookie List
            • May 2007
            • 2946

            #6
            The fact that Hall is Wakelin's bitch should also be considered.

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            • Triple B
              Formerly 'BBB'
              • Feb 2003
              • 6999

              #7
              He will play, but they need to be smarter and use his lack of form to advantage.

              He will still get the #1 backman and another 'minder' in the hole, so make a conscious decision NOT to kick it to him at all in scoring situations. Let him lead up the ground to get his kicks and use other options ie. Davis, Magic, ROK to kick it to inside 50.
              Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16763

                #8
                Hall himself is not the problem. Even in the half-fit state, he's still a valuable asset. And he scored 4 goals last week in a woeful team effort, and was marking really strongly the week before against the Lions, even if his kicking let him down.

                The problem is the team as a whole seeming to play much dumber with him in the team. If only they could learn that when he leads to a pocket and takes two opponents with him, he is trying to get them NOT to kick it to him. It can't be that hard to grasp, can it?

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                • Snake
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 330

                  #9
                  Originally posted by liz
                  Hall himself is not the problem. Even in the half-fit state, he's still a valuable asset. And he scored 4 goals last week in a woeful team effort, and was marking really strongly the week before against the Lions, even if his kicking let him down.

                  The problem is the team as a whole seeming to play much dumber with him in the team. If only they could learn that when he leads to a pocket and takes two opponents with him, he is trying to get them NOT to kick it to him. It can't be that hard to grasp, can it?
                  yes yes yes, Hall aint to blame, more the midfield IMHO.

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                  • originalswan
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 550

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liz
                    Hall himself is not the problem. Even in the half-fit state, he's still a valuable asset. And he scored 4 goals last week in a woeful team effort, and was marking really strongly the week before against the Lions, even if his kicking let him down.

                    The problem is the team as a whole seeming to play much dumber with him in the team. If only they could learn that when he leads to a pocket and takes two opponents with him, he is trying to get them NOT to kick it to him. It can't be that hard to grasp, can it?
                    The problem that is encountered when Hall plays is that the other Forwards deliberately move further up the ground to give him space to lead into. If this policy continues the Swans will surely be Collingwood's "bithches" as someone aptly put it.

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                    • reigning premier
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 4335

                      #11
                      Originally posted by liz
                      Hall himself is not the problem. Even in the half-fit state, he's still a valuable asset. And he scored 4 goals last week in a woeful team effort, and was marking really strongly the week before against the Lions, even if his kicking let him down.

                      The problem is the team as a whole seeming to play much dumber with him in the team. If only they could learn that when he leads to a pocket and takes two opponents with him, he is trying to get them NOT to kick it to him. It can't be that hard to grasp, can it?
                      Liz is right... It's not BBBBH's fault. It's the poor delivery and still kicking to him when he's got no hope i.e. 2 & 3 on one. No wonder he can't get the ball and kick a few!

                      If he takes Wakelin out of the equation, then good enough. We just need the rest of the team to play like they did on Sunday and deliver quality ball to our fwds when they are in a position of advantage.

                      That being said, for mine, he looked like he has turned the corner with the last two games. Lots of posession Vs BL but poor conversion. Less posession Vs Coll but better conversion. Let's hope he can put those two together this week.

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                      • Cosmic Wizard
                        recruit me pretty please!
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 620

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Robbo
                        The fact that Hall is Wakelin's bitch should also be considered.
                        Too true!!!. And when he does get the ball, he misses the goals!!!!

                        When he plays, he does take two defenders, but our team structure is so recognized by other teams, that we lose.

                        No Hall, means that the opposition defence is keep guessing, and we have more scoring chances.

                        It's time to change the guard, and let the younger players have a go.
                        doof-doof

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          #13
                          Originally posted by liz
                          Hall himself is not the problem. Even in the half-fit state, he's still a valuable asset. And he scored 4 goals last week in a woeful team effort, and was marking really strongly the week before against the Lions, even if his kicking let him down.

                          The problem is the team as a whole seeming to play much dumber with him in the team. If only they could learn that when he leads to a pocket and takes two opponents with him, he is trying to get them NOT to kick it to him. It can't be that hard to grasp, can it?
                          Well said Lizzy.
                          When BBBH doesn't play, the whole bloody lot of them step up a notch and make themselves available to kick goals - we average 12 different goal kickers per game when he's not there - six when he is.
                          Why why why can't they do this when BBBH is there??
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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #14
                            Saying the other forwards 'step up' when Hall is not there implies they do not really try when he is. I don't think that's the case at all - rather they are not involved by the rest of the team and spend too much time outside the F50.

                            The team is too Hall-conscious, but part of that is Hall himself. He cracks it when they don't kick the ball to him.
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • 573v30
                              On the bandwagon...
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 5017

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NMWBloods
                              The team is too Hall-conscious, but part of that is Hall himself. He cracks it when they don't kick the ball to him.
                              Now that the team realise there are other avenues to goal, I hope they don't always kick it to Hall if he were to play next week.
                              I only support one team: The SYDNEY SWANS!!!!! :adore

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