Article from Paul Roos: "We Achieved Our Trade Goals"

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Thank's Roosey!! You gave your mate Ross GOLD for nothing at the expense of our club. Pick 26 for two premiership players. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FM. You are the laughing stock of the AFL. This draft has been rated as very poor one with only the top 20 with any real chance of playing 50 games or more. Why TF did you not get rid of Matthews, Crouch, Fosdike and Bolton to relieve our salary cap pressures. They are all over the hill and don't have speed or agility to compete at this level. I am afraid you will definately see the fruits of your labour next year. You said you wanted to add speed to the team, Playfair is certaintly not that, he can hardly run, why do you think Geelong left him out of the team, b/c he was quick and strong.

Get ready for a year of disappointment. Collingwood and others smashed us in the midfield this year, I scared to think what they will do to us next year. We are heading down the ladder for some time. The price of having to many elder players on your list that can not compete against much younger and faster bodies. Brisbane is a prime example.

It's hard not to agree with that. Roos has done the impossible, he's made Sydney slower and older.

[NMWBloods]

Does the rating of the draft by people really mean much? If they really knew that much then you'd never get any good picks after the second round and all the first picks taken would be great.

Also, I don't see that losing Schneider and Dempster make a lot of difference to our midfield.

Playfair couldn't make Geelong's side because they are full of key position players.

I certainly can't argue with not getting rid of J Bolton.

Mathews and Crouch still have contracts I believe and no one would be interested in taking them.

[Kel Fan]

Different drafts bring different quality. Of course you will not get quality every year. Who can forget the 2001 draft. This draft has been compared to recent drafts and analysts are saying that the kids are not (on face value) anywhere near the qaulity that has came from recent years.

Playfair, couldn't make the team b/c he was no bloody good. Cats fans have confirmed this."Too slow and not a quick thinker" Go to Round 22 Geelong v Pt Adelaide he was the one who cost Geelong the match in the dying seconds. We are to stupid to see this. Does Spriggs and Chambers ring a bell? We were warned about them, yet we pursued and look what happened, we threw them out with the daily rubbish.

How many times have we seen Schneider and Dempster carry the ball down the ground? Go back to the the last two PF & GF to see and what impact they had. Then ask me the question again.

Matthews, Crouch & Bolton could have been traded. Since we gave away the future of our club to St Kilda, I am sure we can give the above three away for nothing. I know personally Essendon were interested in Bolton and we could have thrown the other two in for free.

It makes no sense to argue we need youth at our club when we trade younger players for elder ones.

This club has a bad history of recruiting i.e. W Carey, J Longmire, J Hird, S Crawford. When are we going to start getting it right?

[royboy42]

Thank god we have RWO to keep the guys who spend 24/7 working on trades etc at the Swans honest! And we do it so much more cheaply too!!
Oh, and so much more logically and thoughtfully as well.

[NMWBloods]

[QUOTE=Kel Fan;342047]Different drafts bring different quality. Of course you will not get quality every year. Who can forget the 2001 draft. This draft has been compared to recent drafts and analysts are saying that the kids are not (on face value) anywhere near the qaulity that has came from recent years./quote]And yet they don't always get it right... We have two picks in the top 30 and I read that the top 20-30 are decent but it thins out after that.

Playfair, couldn't make the team b/c he was no bloody good. Cats fans have confirmed this."Too slow and not a quick thinker" Go to Round 22 Geelong v Pt Adelaide he was the one who cost Geelong the match in the dying seconds.

Give him a break - it was his first game for the year. Let's see how he goes. Also, the Playfair trade cost us virtually nothing.

We are to stupid to see this. Does Spriggs and Chambers ring a bell? We were warned about them, yet we pursued and look what happened, we threw them out with the daily rubbish.

And we've also had good trades too.

How many times have we seen Schneider and Dempster carry the ball down the ground? Go back to the the last two PF & GF to see and what impact they had.

Dempster plays as a defensive backman. He managed just 10 disposals per game. He had just 17 kicks in the last 2 GFs and 2 PFs combined!

Schneider sometimes runs in the midfield and sometimes carries it through the midfield. Doesn't do it nearly enough. I thought he had a reasonable year in 2007 but not as a key quick midfielder. Only 15 disposals per game and missed too many easy goals. Hardly a matchwinner.

Then ask me the question again.

Okay - I don't see that losing Schneider and Dempster make a lot of difference to our midfield.

Matthews, Crouch & Bolton could have been traded. Since we gave away the future of our club to St Kilda, I am sure we can give the above three away for nothing. I know personally Essendon were interested in Bolton and we could have thrown the other two in for free.

A club is not going to take on players they don't want.

This club has a bad history of recruiting i.e. W Carey, J Longmire, J Hird, S Crawford. When are we going to start getting it right?

Goodes, O'Loughlin, O'Keefe, Malceski, Kirk, Buchanan, Barry, Kelly, Bayes, Kennelly, Lewis, Nicks.

[desredandwhite]

A club is not going to take on players they don't want.

Too true. There was never any realistic chance of getting rid of Crouch or Mathews this year as they were on contract and HAVE NO TRADE VALUE WHATSOEVER.

Bolton, yes maybe, and I am actually a little surprised that he wasn't the first one out the door. The Melbourne clubs seem to love him for whatever reason but obviously the asking price was too high.

[Nico]

Am I ever serious?

Roosey, how the hell do you have time to come on here everyday?

[Kel Fan]

[QUOTE=NMWBloods;342053]

Different drafts bring different quality. Of course you will not get quality every year. Who can forget the 2001 draft. This draft has been compared to recent drafts and analysts are saying that the kids are not (on face value) anywhere near the qaulity that has came from recent years./quote]And yet they don't always get it right... We have two picks in the top 30 and I read that the top 20-30 are decent but it thins out after that.

I read 25 is where the quality ends not 30.

Give him a break - it was his first game for the year. Let's see how he goes. Also, the Playfair trade cost us virtually nothing.

What about 2006? I guess they were all his first games as well. HMMM. Third round pick. King went at 90 something.

And we've also had good trades too. Agree.

Dempster plays as a defensive backman. He managed just 10 disposals per game. He had just 17 kicks in the last 2 GFs and 2 PFs combined!

You forget the goal he set up Kennelly with in 05. How much did we win by? What about the spoils and pressure he placed on his opponents. I guess you can't read everything into stats.

Schneider sometimes runs in the midfield and sometimes carries it through the midfield. Doesn't do it nearly enough. I thought he had a reasonable year in 2007 but not as a key quick midfielder. Only 15 disposals per game and missed too many easy goals. Hardly a matchwinner.

Schneider was never recruited as a match winner nor as a midfielder. But he is only 23. Still to young to be giving away for nothing.

Okay - I don't see that losing Schneider and Dempster make a lot of difference to our midfield.

Time will tell. Lets see where we finish on the ladder. Hard to see finals with the current list.

A club is not going to take on players they don't want.

True. But when you give them for nothing like Dempster then you would at least try them.

Goodes, O'Loughlin, O'Keefe, Malceski, Kirk, Buchanan, Barry, Kelly, Bayes, Kennelly, Lewis, Nicks.

Apart from Goodes and Kelly how many from your list are superstars or match winners? My point exactly.

[Ludwig]

Yes. We did well.

As for Schneider and Dempster, a decision had to be made as to what the prospects were that they would improve enough to be more than fringe players. I thought both were not far away, but the coaching staff are in a better position to judge if they can actually take that next step.

There are a number of young players that need to be tested in the seniors just to know if they are worth persisting with. When will we give Moore, Laidlaw, Jack, Thornton, White and Brennan a go? Something has to give.

There are some that have questioned whether Pick 26 was adequate compensation for the two. What the Swans did was show that it was a considerate organisation in that it sought a new home for a player no longer required, even though the compensation to the club was not adequate. There was a fair bit of that going around this trade week.

The real key to trade week is getting Mattner. I think he is a player that can make a big difference to the structure and transformation of the Swans to a quicker team.

I am very pleased so far with the post season:

We picked up Mattner.

We signed Brendan Murphy, who I think is worth a top ten pick in his own right, and there is every reason to think he will go the way or Kennelly and Martin Clarke.

We will get Craig Bird with a round 4 pick, someone likely to have gone top 20.

We got Playfair for effectively nothing, whatever his value might be.

And we still have 2 good prospects to be chosen with picks 11 and 26.

And as for how cleaver Ross Lyon is with all those players he got for next to nothing: Schneider, Dempster, King and Gardiner. I think he will wake up one morning and think 'How in the world did we get all this mediocrity on our list'?
Based on 2007 performances, this doesn't quite look like the core of a championship team.

The Swans have improved the overall quality of their list. The Saints have not.

[Jewels]

As for Schneider and Dempster, a decision had to be made as to what the prospects were that they would improve enough to be more than fringe players. I thought both were not far away, but the coaching staff are in a better position to judge if they can actually take that next step.

There are a number of young players that need to be tested in the seniors just to know if they are worth persisting with. When will we give Moore, Laidlaw, Jack, Thornton, White and Brennan a go? Something has to give.

There are some that have questioned whether Pick 26 was adequate compensation for the two. What the Swans did was show that it was a considerate organisation in that it sought a new home for a player no longer required, even though the compensation to the club was not adequate. There was a fair bit of that going around this trade week.

The real key to trade week is getting Mattner. I think he is a player that can make a big difference to the structure and transformation of the Swans to a quicker team.

I am very pleased so far with the post season:

We picked up Mattner.

We signed Brendan Murphy, who I think is worth a top ten pick in his own right, and there is every reason to think he will go the way or Kennelly and Martin Clarke.

We will get Craig Bird with a round 4 pick, someone likely to have gone top 20.

We got Playfair for effectively nothing, whatever his value might be.

And we still have 2 good prospects to be chosen with picks 11 and 26.

And as for how cleaver Ross Lyon is with all those players he got for next to nothing: Schneider, Dempster, King and Gardiner. I think he will wake up one morning and think 'How in the world did we get all this mediocrity on our list'?
Based on 2007 performances, this doesn't quite look like the core of a championship team.

The Swans have improved the overall quality of their list. The Saints have not.

Thankyou for the most logical, sensible post I've read today. The hysteria on RWO has been unbelievable. I don't know how we managed to win a flag, make two GFs and play finals every year since Roos arrived. It is obvious that he is a @@@@wit with no idea on what he is doing.

[liz]

We signed Brendan Murphy, who I think is worth a top ten pick in his own right, and there is every reason to think he will go the way or Kennelly and Martin Clarke.

Not sure how you can claim someone yet to kick a Sherrin is worth a top 10 pick. The lad may decide he hates the heat and misses his potatos and pack his bags after a year. Kennelly has often spoken about how homesick he was in his first year or so.

The fact that there is now a cluster of Irish over here may make a difference. And hopefully he will become another Kennelly or Clarke. But he's still got to be viewed as a long shot.

And as for how cleaver Ross Lyon is with all those players he got for next to nothing: Schneider, Dempster, King and Gardiner. I think he will wake up one morning and think 'How in the world did we get all this mediocrity on our list'?
Based on 2007 performances, this doesn't quite look like the core of a championship team.

The Swans have improved the overall quality of their list. The Saints have not.

I don't think the Saints' strategy is that ordinary. They've lost a fair few players through retirements and while there is some difference of opinion over the quality at the top of this draft, the indications are that clubs don't want to be stocking up with lots of players at the bottom end of the draft.

Schneider will be a best 22 player for them with no problems. He will be BOG here and there, as he has been for us. He may even wake up and decide he wants to show the AFL world how good a player he really can be. (Which I hope happens - and also that Roos negotiated a repo condition with Lyon if Schneider misses Sydney in a year or two.)

Dempster is a competent depth player at worst. And who knows, a change of scenery may prod him enough to decide he actually belongs at AFL level, in which case he might become more than a competent depth player.

King makes sense for them given their ruck stocks are so low and there must be a question over whether Michael Gardiner will ever play a game for them. For pretty much no cost he marginally increases their chance of having half a fit ruckman for part of the season (thereby replacing Matthew Clarke).

Must admit I don't see the attraction of Charlie Gardiner for them. But they can dump him in a year or two if he continues to do so little.

[NMWBloods]

Apart from Goodes and Kelly how many from your list are superstars or match winners? My point exactly.

1. How many superstars get recruited every year?

2. What does that have to do with Schneider or Dempster, neither of whom are even close to being superstars?

[vanberlo=god]

To be fair, we needed a ruckman and got one, so we did achieve the short term goal.

The fact he did not work out does not change the scenario.

good old donut, can't remember a worse player imo.
Then theres Ricky Mott - he had something then wasted it all on a behind after the siren, and consumed too much beef cake 4000 over the off time.
Then theres spider who the swans should get another 2 years of service out of at best.
Then theres santa who's wife did all the dealings.

Who's the next crap, psychotic and over the hill ruckman we will recruit?? Dean Cox after 2 knee reco's??

[Sanecow]

Roosey, how the hell do you have time to come on here everyday?

I delegate the coaching work.

[Kel Fan]

Goodes, O'Loughlin, O'Keefe, Malceski, Kirk, Buchanan, Barry, Kelly, Bayes, Kennelly, Lewis, Nicks.[/QUOTE]

1. How many superstars get recruited every year?

Go back to my original thread. It depends on the quality of the draft. Oh thats right you said "Does the rating of the draft by people really mean much? If they really knew that much then you'd never get any good picks after the second round and all the first picks taken would be great."


2. What does that have to do with Schneider or Dempster, neither of whom are even close to being superstars?

You missed the point. My arguement was about letting Schneider and Dempster go for nothing. I gave examples of times when the swans were given the chance to select or trade for those certain Superstars and they passed on all of them.