The AFL?s $100m Gold Coast proposal

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  • AnnieH
    RWOs Black Sheep
    • Aug 2006
    • 11332

    #31


    If you "really" love your footy team, you become a member - it's what keeps your footy team alive.

    Norf fans should learn to put their money where their mouths are.

    Bums on seats, etc.

    Works wonders with the bottom line of the club.
    Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
    Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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    • swantastic
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2006
      • 7275

      #32
      Originally posted by Annie Haddad


      If you "really" love your footy team, you become a member - it's what keeps your footy team alive.

      Norf fans should learn to put their money where their mouths are.

      Bums on seats, etc.

      Works wonders with the bottom line of the club.
      Spot on Annie My mate is a crazed cats fan but he is a tight arse and has never brought a membership
      Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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      • Chow-Chicker
        Senior Player
        • Jun 2006
        • 1602

        #33
        North Melbourne is such a dead spot for recruiting members. The suburb has stuff all residential family breeding ground. Gone are the days for North Melbourne where someone was born and then grew to follow the club simply because they lived in the area. Now it's commission housing, semi industrial area. The surrounding suburbs have residents who potentially follow teams such as Carlton or Essendon.

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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          #34
          ... which brings us back to their original predicament.

          In order to survive in a limited marketplace, they have to move - or beg every norf fan on the face of the earth to become a financial member.

          Simple really.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • Chow-Chicker
            Senior Player
            • Jun 2006
            • 1602

            #35
            Originally posted by Annie Haddad
            ... which brings us back to their original predicament.

            In order to survive in a limited marketplace, they have to move - or beg every norf fan on the face of the earth to become a financial member.

            Simple really.
            But who would be their fans up on the Gold Coast? Most people up there couldn't give a flying @@@@ about AFL, let alone some disjointed club that goes by the name of North Melbourne.

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            • AnnieH
              RWOs Black Sheep
              • Aug 2006
              • 11332

              #36
              Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
              But who would be their fans up on the Gold Coast? Most people up there couldn't give a flying @@@@ about AFL, let alone some disjointed club that goes by the name of North Melbourne.
              There are more expat Victorians on the Gold Coast than any other place in Australia. They'll find plenty of rich retirees to fill their coffers.

              If their fans aren't prepared to become financial, and norfs decide NOT to take the AFL up on their more than generous offer ... well, I'll be first in line to pitch in with a wreath.

              They're being handed an opportunity and we all know what happens when you slap opportunity in the face.
              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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              • Industrial Fan
                Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                • Aug 2006
                • 3317

                #37
                I think they will be history if the afl is serious about making the one offer.

                They cant survive in Melbourne long term.
                He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                • Chow-Chicker
                  Senior Player
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 1602

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                  There are more expat Victorians on the Gold Coast than any other place in Australia. They'll find plenty of rich retirees to fill their coffers.

                  If their fans aren't prepared to become financial, and norfs decide NOT to take the AFL up on their more than generous offer ... well, I'll be first in line to pitch in with a wreath.

                  They're being handed an opportunity and we all know what happens when you slap opportunity in the face.
                  Expat Victorian generally already have a bias. They either follow a certain club or they don't. Unless all expat Victorians used to follow North Melbourne, they won't see any of them sign up at all. Too busy surfing.

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                  • robbieando
                    The King
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2750

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Footylover1
                    Still either way......they have a pretty poor membership tally.
                    and yet North have more members in Melbourne than Sydney have in Sydney

                    Funny how that fact is let slip by a fair few people
                    Once was, now elsewhere

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                    • Industrial Fan
                      Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3317

                      #40
                      Originally posted by robbieando
                      and yet North have more members in Melbourne than Sydney have in Sydney

                      Funny how that fact is let slip by a fair few people
                      What has that got to with anything?
                      He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                      • robbieando
                        The King
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2750

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Annie Haddad


                        If you "really" love your footy team, you become a member - it's what keeps your footy team alive.

                        Norf fans should learn to put their money where their mouths are.

                        Bums on seats, etc.

                        Works wonders with the bottom line of the club.
                        You'll find that good long-term Sponsorship deals and fair and profitable stadium deals are far more of an advantage to a clubs bottomline than overall membership totals and fans though the gate for home games. Plus in the case of the Roos its also a good idea to a) manage their debt in a proper way (service the debt that needs to be paid and work with the banks to rework the debt, like Geelong did) and b) cut spending in the right areas so that they can be a profitable business, while at the same time, promoting the club to raise the profile off the field and delivering on field success.

                        It can be done.
                        Once was, now elsewhere

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                        • robbieando
                          The King
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2750

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
                          What has that got to with anything?
                          Well it was stated that North membership tally was poor at 26000, yet Sydney have less members in Sydney with no other AFL club to compete with and are a profitable business. So if North's membership is so poor and unworkable, what does that makes ours???
                          Once was, now elsewhere

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                          • robbieando
                            The King
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2750

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                            There are more expat Victorians on the Gold Coast than any other place in Australia. They'll find plenty of rich retirees to fill their coffers.
                            The Gold Coast want their own side and yet don't have the supporter base to support one. Those who do support AFL already support an AFL team and are therefore unlikely to jump ship to another AFL team that is moved up from Melbourne. They might jump for a 17th Team created for nothing but not a current team. The idea that there is a ready made market is flawed.

                            If their fans aren't prepared to become financial, and norfs decide NOT to take the AFL up on their more than generous offer ... well, I'll be first in line to pitch in with a wreath.
                            So be it, but don't say the offer made by the AFL was generous. It didn't have a stadium deal including in it and it forced North to hand over their AFL Licence to the AFL and not be kept in the hands of the people who currently control it. Effectively it wasn't offer to move it was an offer to buy the club outright by the AFL so it could do as it pleased once they got control.

                            They're being handed an opportunity and we all know what happens when you slap opportunity in the face.
                            Yeah I'm sure they see the same bright future on the Gold Coast that the VFL saw in 1986 when they handed the Licence to the Brisbane Bears over to a man called Christopher Skase. We all know how football went on the Gold Coast from there......
                            Once was, now elsewhere

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                            • Industrial Fan
                              Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3317

                              #44
                              Originally posted by robbieando
                              Well it was stated that North membership tally was poor at 26000, yet Sydney have less members in Sydney with no other AFL club to compete with and are a profitable business. So if North's membership is so poor and unworkable, what does that makes ours???
                              We dont have a membership base of just Sydneysiders??We operate in two markets.

                              North have nowhere to expand in Melbourne, and they wont in the future. Unless they move, and hope to keep some of the Melbourne members and grow another market, they will cease to exist.

                              It is an interesting observation, but hardly relevant.
                              He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                              • robbieando
                                The King
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2750

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
                                We dont have a membership base of just Sydneysiders??We operate in two markets.
                                But we don't rely on membership sales (or ticket sales for that matter) alone to survive, we look to other areas, such as sponsors, the corporate market and merchandice to grow our bottomline and therefore become less relient on needing our members to sign up each year at the same level (sure there is a brake-even point, but it isn't 30000). This is what North will try and do now they have decided to stay. Grow their sponsorship income, grow their corporate market (which has always been one of their strong points) and in place of merchandice sales increases, they try and balance it with reasonable cost-cutting (which the Swans did in 2003) and trying to workout a fairer deal with Telstra Dome for ground rental.

                                North have nowhere to expand in Melbourne, and they wont in the future. Unless they move, and hope to keep some of the Melbourne members and grow another market, they will cease to exist.
                                I love this myth that the Gold Coast is "ready" for an AFL team. Was it in 1987, was it in 1992 when the team they had left and in the 15 years since what has changed??? So what if they moved and kept some of their fans? As was shown by the Swans, it takes time for the ill-will to die down and for the Melbourne based fans to enbrace the move. We only have 8000 members in Melbourne 26 seasons AFTER we moved, I doubt the Roos would get close to that in year one. Plus as per my prior point what hope do the Roos have of getting members on the Gold Coast when the Brisbane Lion bearly get 20,000 members in Brisbane.

                                The market ISN'T ready and yet the AFL will have you believe it is, despite it say only 12 months ago they were looking at having a team in place there in 2015, not 2010 which became their position only a month ago. The AFL is making up the facts to suit themselves.

                                It is an interesting observation, but hardly relevant.
                                Its very relevant when you move a debt riddled club to a place that has a team less than an hours drive already stuggling to get 20000 members in the area and has been the sporting black hole for anything that has gone in there.
                                Once was, now elsewhere

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