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  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    #16
    Originally posted by Nico
    "Pivot", what a wonderful old footy term. The Macquarie Dictionary describes it as, amongst other things "that on which something turns, hinges or depends".

    It even states Aus Rules - centre
    Rugby Union - a half back

    Pivotal - of critical importance.

    In the case of Bevo - delusional at the very least. If we have to depend on him then lets all head to the West gate or Harbour Bridges. What you are alluding to here is that he will be the primary defender.

    But if you are referring to him in Rugby Union terms then that might be a different story.
    Defensive pivot describes his role pretty well. In the channel blocking leading forwards, link man reciever/distributer when the ball is coming out. There are a few others in some clubs that play this role - R Shaw with the maggots springs to mind. You don't need the silky skills and flamboyance to play it but lots of ticker and toughness. For those who think a game of footy can be analysed like an auditors balance sheet it may not mean much but as they say ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Bevo fits the bill as a defensive pivot and is a future leader. I don't know what a primary defender is. We have running defenders, stoppers and a pivot. No wonder Bevo is unappreciated if his role is not understood. Anyway Nico we'll still save a seat even for for you.
    Bevo bandwagon driver

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    • Robbo
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2007
      • 2946

      #17
      Bevo's role should be given to...

      a)Someone who can kick
      b)Someone with a football brain
      c)Someone who doesn't give away stupid free kicks
      d)Someone who can mark the ball without it hitting them in the face.

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      • CJK
        Human
        • Apr 2006
        • 2170

        #18
        I love Bevo - he's proof that we can all stilll make it as Swans Players.

        /lights smoke, has beer
        Last edited by goswannie14; 21 February 2008, 09:52 AM. Reason: Breach of Forum rule 9
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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          #19
          Originally posted by CJK
          I love Bevo - he's proof that we can all stilll make it as Swans Players.

          /lights smoke, has beer
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • hammo
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2003
            • 5554

            #20
            You're having a laugh right?

            The only reason Bevo's role could in anyway be described as a linkman when the ball is coming out of defence is because the opposition don't bother manning him up. Opponents give him a free possession because he's a good chance at turning the ball over when he disposes of it.
            "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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            • AnnieH
              RWOs Black Sheep
              • Aug 2006
              • 11332

              #21
              Originally posted by hammo
              You're having a laugh right?

              The only reason Bevo's role could in anyway be described as a linkman when the ball is coming out of defence is because the opposition don't bother manning him up. Opponents give him a free possession because he's a good chance at turning the ball over when he disposes of it.
              Now, now hammo.
              That's very harsh ... albeit very true.
              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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              • BSA5
                Senior Player
                • Feb 2008
                • 2522

                #22
                Originally posted by connolly
                Not at all. I seriously believe that there were good signs last year in the second half and that this season he will mature into a very good defensive pivot occasional tagging midfielder. Best to get on the bandwagon early as a late stampede (LRT) is so undignified.
                Bevan sucks. No footy brain.

                And I've been on the LRT bandwagon since day 1.
                Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                • connolly
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 2461

                  #23
                  Originally posted by hammo
                  You're having a laugh right?

                  The only reason Bevo's role could in anyway be described as a linkman when the ball is coming out of defence is because the opposition don't bother manning him up. Opponents give him a free possession because he's a good chance at turning the ball over when he disposes of it.
                  The usual tactic of oppositions is to retreat to the 50 metre line and man up for the second kick and stop any run. The reason that Bevo receives a high percentage of kick outs (and therefore uncontested marking stats) is that he is often the designated link or pivot. Many of his ball receives are taken out wide which puts enormous pressure on the accuracy of the kick. Because the Bloods play a hold and pass game plan there is a great responsibility on the downfield players to make space and present a viable marking or running option. A lot of Bevo's clangers (kicks and decision making) come about due lack of effective movement by downfield players. Effective downfield movement requires extremely harworking midfielders and forwards. Big Bustling's injuries and consequent lack of mobility coming down the field really hurt us last year. Schnieder's laziness and disgraceful lack of fitness didn't help and don't start me on Davo. I don't think Bevo's footskills are any worse than average but a lot of his clangers (and those of other defender's) are created by lack of effective movement or positioning of downfield receivers off the ball. As for the opposition not paying him any respect have a look at the game against Brissie last season, as just one example, when he took Brennan, who kicked seven gaols a week or two before, and choked him out of the match. Opposition forwards do not go well on Bevo. His tackling and presence in the centre corridor tends to have his opponent running to the boundary to get space and possessions. In fact I can't recall any opposition forward that took him apart last year. No doubt if one did I will be reminded.
                  Bevo bandwagon driver

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                  • Chilcott
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 595

                    #24
                    Bevan

                    Connolly,

                    I disagree with you that Bevans errors are the result of players up-field failure to make space.

                    His errors are the result of a lack of skill and footy brain. If he is under pressure in the back 50 and if he feels he has no short options up the ground, he is far better off to kick it long up the ground to a contest. When uder pressure he seems to look for short options (either by fooot or hand)across the ground, which are not on.

                    Ends up in easy possesions for the oppositions forwards in their forward 50.

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                    • ernie koala
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2007
                      • 3251

                      #25
                      Sadly, for all his hardness, Bevo gave us very little last year. And I suspect more of the same this year. Which, yes, makes him Benny's heir.
                      The other member of this fab trio...Mr McVeigh, will also have the spotlight on him this year. If there is no improvement from this lot, they must make way for others. Namely, Laidlaw, Moore, Bird, Jack, O'Dwyer for starters.
                      Unfortunately, Roosy has form on the board, when it comes to sellections, which means we can look forward with horror to a season full of clangers from the fab trio.
                      Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                      • connolly
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 2461

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ernie koala
                        Sadly, for all his hardness, Bevo gave us very little last year. And I suspect more of the same this year. Which, yes, makes him Benny's heir.
                        The other member of this fab trio...Mr McVeigh, will also have the spotlight on him this year. If there is no improvement from this lot, they must make way for others. Namely, Laidlaw, Moore, Bird, Jack, O'Dwyer for starters.
                        Unfortunately, Roosy has form on the board, when it comes to sellections, which means we can look forward with horror to a season full of clangers from the fab trio.
                        I agree re. McVeigh. Bird and Jack loom as replacements. Personally I favour the wharehousing of McVeigh for three seasons in some suitable position as the captain of the two's so that he can be generously placed on the draft list for the Western Sydney Whatevers. He and his useless brother would make up the full local Sydney contingent of the latest AFL brilliant brainwave.
                        Bevo bandwagon driver

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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11339

                          #27
                          Originally posted by connolly
                          Defensive pivot describes his role pretty well. In the channel blocking leading forwards, link man reciever/distributer when the ball is coming out. There are a few others in some clubs that play this role - R Shaw with the maggots springs to mind. You don't need the silky skills and flamboyance to play it but lots of ticker and toughness. For those who think a game of footy can be analysed like an auditors balance sheet it may not mean much but as they say ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Bevo fits the bill as a defensive pivot and is a future leader. I don't know what a primary defender is. We have running defenders, stoppers and a pivot. No wonder Bevo is unappreciated if his role is not understood. Anyway Nico we'll still save a seat even for for you.

                          I must watch if he gets a game how much channel blocking he does. He doesn't have the nous to do this, and has a habit of not talking and running back into his own players. A link man, hardly: you need pace for this and his stats just don't back this up. He is a horrible distributor but he Matthews had a wow of I time waxing in the EF against the Pies.
                          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                          • Nico
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 11339

                            #28
                            Originally posted by connolly
                            The usual tactic of oppositions is to retreat to the 50 metre line and man up for the second kick and stop any run. The reason that Bevo receives a high percentage of kick outs (and therefore uncontested marking stats) is that he is often the designated link or pivot. Many of his ball receives are taken out wide which puts enormous pressure on the accuracy of the kick. Because the Bloods play a hold and pass game plan there is a great responsibility on the downfield players to make space and present a viable marking or running option. A lot of Bevo's clangers (kicks and decision making) come about due lack of effective movement by downfield players. Effective downfield movement requires extremely harworking midfielders and forwards. Big Bustling's injuries and consequent lack of mobility coming down the field really hurt us last year. Schnieder's laziness and disgraceful lack of fitness didn't help and don't start me on Davo. I don't think Bevo's footskills are any worse than average but a lot of his clangers (and those of other defender's) are created by lack of effective movement or positioning of downfield receivers off the ball. As for the opposition not paying him any respect have a look at the game against Brissie last season, as just one example, when he took Brennan, who kicked seven gaols a week or two before, and choked him out of the match. Opposition forwards do not go well on Bevo. His tackling and presence in the centre corridor tends to have his opponent running to the boundary to get space and possessions. In fact I can't recall any opposition forward that took him apart last year. No doubt if one did I will be reminded.

                            By gee your good at making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. That is breathtaking old cobbler's.
                            http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                            • Nico
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11339

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Chilcott
                              Connolly,

                              I disagree with you that Bevans errors are the result of players up-field failure to make space.

                              His errors are the result of a lack of skill and footy brain. If he is under pressure in the back 50 and if he feels he has no short options up the ground, he is far better off to kick it long up the ground to a contest. When uder pressure he seems to look for short options (either by fooot or hand)across the ground, which are not on.

                              Ends up in easy possesions for the oppositions forwards in their forward 50.
                              Correct, because he has no idea.
                              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11339

                                #30
                                Originally posted by connolly
                                I agree re. McVeigh. Bird and Jack loom as replacements. Personally I favour the wharehousing of McVeigh for three seasons in some suitable position as the captain of the two's so that he can be generously placed on the draft list for the Western Sydney Whatevers. He and his useless brother would make up the full local Sydney contingent of the latest AFL brilliant brainwave.
                                Fine deflection there Big Al.
                                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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