Team for Lions game (unchanged team named)

[ScottH]

Does anyone know why the game is being broadcast "live" in to Sydney at 8pm?
I think it is a 6.10 start time at the GABBA but how does that translate to 8.00 sydney time???

Game Time = 7:10 AEST.
Which is probably 6:10 Brisbane time??

[RogueSwan]

in regards to Davis not being named emergency, or White for that matter, could it possibly be because they are both going to be definite starters in the Ressies?
Whereas Smith is unlikely to actually play seniors this weekend. It just guarantees Davis will play this week.

[Doctor J.]

To much emphasis on BF i.e. performance

Davis is a clown, career is finished, should have been delisted probably,but will not play much more

Comparing to Goodes ........... Some people way over rate Davis, 90% of those people post on this board

Careful Reggi, you'll send this Board into meltdown mode with comments like that.

[Industrial Fan]

Originally Posted by ernie koala
I assume it's so he can play in the 2's this week. They want to see him chase some school teacher from the ACT for 4 quarters. More penance for Nick.

I know your point, however, he hardly stood out last week when he played against 'school teachers'. He still needs to work as hard and show he is a class (or several) above when he goes back to the reserves.

Maybe they want him to chase some female teachers off the pitch? More tang for Nick.

[Plugger46]

Don't agree, not enough emphasis is placed on B&F's as this is an award being handed out by your employer and bosses who are in a far more better position to judge whether you are doing what they want you to do rather than an umpire who is trying to ajudicate the game and some hack journalist reading off the stats sheet.

Other awards that should be promoted more are the coaches awards and the AFLPA best player voted by their peers.

DST

I accept your opinion, but don't really agree with the B&F part. Let's look it at another way, Mathews has consistently performed well in B&F counts. But he plays an easier role than Davis - i.e a stopping role. It's a hell of a lot easier to stop someone, than making the play yourself.

At times, due to the way we play our forwards are starved of opportunities and it makes it tough to pick up B&F votes for a player like Davis.

Some people are incredibly hard on him in my opinion. He's the only player in our side that kick goals from outside 50 consistently. He played a massive role in making us collectively the happiest group of people alive. He averages abour 30 goals a year, which is pretty good for a small forward.

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Game Time = 7:10 AEST.
Which is probably 6:10 Brisbane time??

I think it's 7.10 local time, which would explain why 8pm would be classified as 'live' coverage.

[Industrial Fan]

It's a hell of a lot easier to stop someone, than making the play yourself.

Hoisted on your own petard there.

Why doesn't Davis stop his man if it's easier than making the play yourself?

[hammo]

I accept your opinion, but don't really agree with the B&F part. Let's look it at another way, Mathews has consistently performed well in B&F counts. But he plays an easier role than Davis - i.e a stopping role. It's a hell of a lot easier to stop someone, than making the play yourself.

At times, due to the way we play our forwards are starved of opportunities and it makes it tough to pick up B&F votes for a player like Davis.

Some people are incredibly hard on him in my opinion. He's the only player in our side that kick goals from outside 50 consistently. He played a massive role in making us collectively the happiest group of people alive. He averages abour 30 goals a year, which is pretty good for a small forward.

Good point re: Mathews. Jude Bolton is another who just racks up the B&F votes without necessarily having much influence on a game.

I'd be interetsed to see a comparison between Davo's B&F votes and O'Loughlin's from recent years. I notice Mick didn't finish in the top 10 last year either. I can't see how they're terribly different players, except that Mick is used as a key forward target.

[NMWBloods]

BF voting seems like FanFooty scoring - you get massive points for tackles!

[bedford]

I accept your opinion, but don't really agree with the B&F part. Let's look it at another way, Mathews has consistently performed well in B&F counts. But he plays an easier role than Davis - i.e a stopping role. It's a hell of a lot easier to stop someone, than making the play yourself.

At times, due to the way we play our forwards are starved of opportunities and it makes it tough to pick up B&F votes for a player like Davis.

Some people are incredibly hard on him in my opinion. He's the only player in our side that kick goals from outside 50 consistently. He played a massive role in making us collectively the happiest group of people alive. He averages abour 30 goals a year, which is pretty good for a small forward.

spot on plug

[Plugger46]

Good point re: Mathews. Jude Bolton is another who just racks up the B&F votes without necessarily having much influence on a game.

I'd be interetsed to see a comparison between Davo's B&F votes and O'Loughlin's from recent years. I notice Mick didn't finish in the top 10 last year either. I can't see how they're terribly different players, except that Mick is used as a key forward target.

Ah, but Micky's a favourite son and seemingly excluded from any form of criticism.

In reality, over the last 3 seasons O'Loughlin's output has only been slighly better than Davis'. They actually kick it to Micky too

Davis may well be a tool off the field - I don't know, as I don't know him personally - but there are a lot of myths about what he does on the field.

[Xie Shan]

Swans BF voting seems like FanFooty scoring - you get massive points for tackles!

Edited for accuracy

I'm with Plugger46 on this one. This topic has been done to death, but Davis is probably never going to be a player who will rack up the B&F votes - like all forwards (including MO'L) he is inconsistent. He will have good days and bad days. Obviously Roos is of the opinion that he still needs to work harder, which is fair enough I suppose. *shrug*

[NMWBloods]

Edited for accuracy

Yes - that's what I meant - thanks!

[NMWBloods]

Ah, but Micky's a favourite son and seemingly excluded from any form of criticism.

In reality, over the last 3 seasons O'Loughlin's output has only been slighly better than Davis'. They actually kick it to Micky too

Davis may well be a tool off the field - I don't know, as I don't know him personally - but there are a lot of myths about what he does on the field.

If you compare Davis and MOL over 2005-2007 (and adjust for TOG), then the relevant stats per game are:
Davis: MOL

Disposals - 13.8 : 11.6

Marks - 4.8 : 5.0

Goals - 1.7 : 2.0

Accuracy - 65% : 66%

Tackles - 1.6 : 1.4


As an aside, Kennelly's stats ('04-'06) are:
Disposals 15.5
Tackles 1.8

And he's not a renowned defensive machine!

[hammo]

If you compare Davis and MOL over 2004-2007 (and adjust for TOG), then the relevant stats per game are:
Davis: MOL

Disposals - 13.8 : 11.6

Marks - 4.8 : 5.0

Goals - 1.7 : 2.0

Accuracy - 65% : 66%

Tackles - 1.6 : 1.4


As an aside, Kennelly's stats ('04-'06) are:
Disposals 15.5
Tackles 1.8

And he's not a renowned defensive machine!

Some very interesting stats there.