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  • hammo
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2003
    • 5554

    #16
    Originally posted by Annie Haddad

    Even in "bad" form, Goodesy is still more valuable than Davo.
    Considering we've seen more bad than good from Adam in the past 2 seasons that point is debateable.
    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16778

      #17
      Originally posted by stellation
      liz the inconsistency appears to me to be that one player is allowed to work things out for themselves whilst remaining in the seniors and another player is sent to the reserves to work things out.

      I don't think that Nick's performance on the weekend, or in round 1, pushed him out of the best available 22 and I don't see Roos suggesting it did either.
      I might be misjudging the bloke, but I can't see Roos cutting off his nose to spite his face. My reading of his comments and actions is that he sees a less-than-full-tilt Davis as being marginal as far as his best 22 is concerned. Even Davis at his very best probably wouldn't see him picked in the top 10 players in the team.

      He's not the only marginal best-22 player. I suspect that with our squad fully fit, around 16 players pretty much pick themselves and the other 6 or so spots could be filled by any of 10 players (subject to position balance).

      When Davis was dropped after round 1, Roos said he wanted to get some more run and carry into the team and brought in Barlow, who certainly runs and eventually will learn to carry more than he currently does.

      Goodes at his best, on the other hand, is probably the first name you'd write down on the list performance-wise. Structure wise there are probably 5 or so you couldn't differentiate between. Even Goodes at the level we've seen him the last few weeks I would put in the players who pick themselves. If nothing else he'll take the very best tagger the opposition has, and it's also worth noting that he's neck and neck with Kirk for clearances this season. So his concerning form is still reasonable.

      So why on earth wouldn't you treat them differently at the selection table?

      There may be other factors involved - such as Roos knowing Goodes will continue to work to regain his best form regardless of whether his spot is under threat. Maybe (and I am speculating) he has evidence that Davis gets comfortable when he thinks he's an automatic choice.

      It's also not as if Davis is the only established player to get dropped. Both Schneider and Buchanan felt the axe last season, and both were then publicly put up for trade at the end of the year.

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      • hot potato
        Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
        • Jun 2007
        • 1122

        #18
        Roosey is just trying to get Adam to get white line fever on game day and forget about relationship hassles that might be bugging him, maybe Warney needs to help here.
        "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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        • satchmopugdog
          Bandicoots ears
          • Apr 2004
          • 3691

          #19
          Originally posted by hot potato
          Roosey is just trying to get Adam to get white line fever on game day and forget about relationship hassles that might be bugging him, maybe Warney needs to help here.

          We don't need any more white line fever please.7 weeks worth was enough.
          "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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          • TheGrimReaper
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2007
            • 2203

            #20
            Originally posted by satchmopugdog
            We don't need any more white line fever please.7 weeks worth was enough.
            You can still have white line fever, but just play fairly.

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            • big bear
              Bleed Red and White
              • Jun 2005
              • 256

              #21
              Originally posted by satchmopugdog
              We don't need any more white line fever please.7 weeks worth was enough.
              Don't confuse white line fever and the red mist. Two different conditions, although serious forms of the former may be a precursor to the latter.
              SYDNEY SWANS.....THE GREATEST FOOTBALL CLUB IN LIVING MEMORY.

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              • Nico
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 11339

                #22
                At least Goodsey and Davo are working their guts out at training this week, not shouting drinks and boofing in Fiji.
                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                • DST
                  The voice of reason!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2705

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  Substitute Goodes' name for nearly any other underperforming Swans player in recent years and the inconsistency will be a lot clearer.
                  How many of those other underperforming Swans have two brownlows and the ability of Goodes to turn a game in 10 minutes.

                  That is the difference with Goodes and is why he will always be carried in any side due to the promise of being able to unleash that ability at will and win us a game off his own boot.

                  DST
                  "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                  • ROK Lobster
                    RWO Life Member
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 8658

                    #24
                    Originally posted by DST
                    That is the difference with Goodes and is why he will always be carried in any side due to the promise of being able to unleash that ability at will and win us a game off his own boot.
                    Has he ever done it in the final quarter of a semi-final in a premiership season?

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                    • royboy42
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2078

                      #25
                      Nico, that's three smartass comments in three threads on a radio rumour file gossip piece..give it a break!

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                      • DeadlyAkkuret
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 4547

                        #26
                        Originally posted by hammo
                        Considering we've seen more bad than good from Adam in the past 2 seasons that point is debateable.
                        You're saying it's debatable that Goodes has been more valuable than Davis over the past 2 seasons? Even during a 'poor' season, Goodes had around 8-9 brilliant games and some of those were in a losing side. How many great games has Davis had over the past 2 years?

                        This talk of double standards is really ridiculous. Goodes is a far superior player to Davis, even when Adam's form is down. Each player will be treated differently because each player is different.

                        If Nick Davis reaches the level that Goodes has, then people can whinge if they're treated differently, but until then....

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #27
                          Why wasn't J Bolton treated in the same fashion as Davis last year?
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • DeadlyAkkuret
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 4547

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                            Has he ever done it in the final quarter of a semi-final in a premiership season?
                            We can only hope that was sarcasm

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                            • reigning premier
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 4335

                              #29
                              Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                              We can only hope that was sarcasm

                              That's the thing that works for sarcasm... It's usually true...

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                              • dimelb
                                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 6889

                                #30
                                Originally posted by DST
                                How many of those other underperforming Swans have two brownlows and the ability of Goodes to turn a game in 10 minutes.

                                That is the difference with Goodes and is why he will always be carried in any side due to the promise of being able to unleash that ability at will and win us a game off his own boot.

                                DST
                                Goodes can be a genuinely great player, but I wish his own boot was a bit more reliable!
                                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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