Will Davis be selected for Rd 7 Vs Doggies??

[ROK Lobster]

If his genius has gone missing then we should give it a run in the ruck!

Spot on!

[ROK Lobster]

Next thing, you'll be citing Robert Walls as a misunderstood genius!

I thought that might have been taking things a little too far - though I am a fan of Robert's commentary.

[connolly]

I think Terry Wallace is a better coach, and probably Malcolm Blight.

Roos has consistently out coached the Wallet and Blight isn't and wasn't.

[hammo]

Roos is a first class hypocrite. His public criticisms of Nick Davis everytime a microphone is put in his face are at total odds to the treatment he dished out to Davis when he spoke his mind in 2006 and reflect very poorly on his man management skills.

As has been pointed out, there is minimal difference to the output of MOL and Davis over recent seasons, yet MOL cannot put a foot wrong with former team mate Roos while Davis is dropped and publicly panned by the coach through the media. MOL has the luxury of playing out of the goal square while Davis is ignored by team mates up field, due to an incompetent game plan.

Roos? double standards were on show by the continual selection of Jude Bolton last season when, if Roos applied any consistency to selections, form demanded he be dropped.

I doubt any management handbook would say the solution to Davo?s woes are to destroy his confidence even further by publicly questioning his work rate at every press conference.

Perhaps the solution actually lies in Roos making improvements to his own coaching. The stoppage-heavy snorefests we keep dishing up will not deliver another premiership. If he can apply his energy to getting a forward line that functions properly and a midfield that can kick properly then everyone will benefit.

Instead of worrying about the defensive pressure applied by forwards, wouldn?t it make more sense to train Swans midfielders pick the right forward target and deliver the ball cleanly to a well structured forward line?

I am not suggesting defensive pressure isn?t important, but surely mitigating the need for it by improving team structure and skills is a far more logical answer.

[reigning premier]

I thought that might have been taking things a little too far - though I am a fan of Robert's commentary.

@@@@ stirrer...

[connolly]

Roos is a first class hypocrite. His public criticisms of Nick Davis everytime a microphone is put in his face are at total odds to the treatment he dished out to Davis when he spoke his mind in 2006 and reflect very poorly on his man management skills.

As has been pointed out, there is minimal difference to the output of MOL and Davis over recent seasons, yet MOL cannot put a foot wrong with former team mate Roos while Davis is dropped and publicly panned by the coach through the media. MOL has the luxury of playing out of the goal square while Davis is ignored by team mates up field, due to an incompetent game plan.

Roos? double standards were on show by the continual selection of Jude Bolton last season when, if Roos applied any consistency to selections, form demanded he be dropped.

I doubt any management handbook would say the solution to Davo?s woes are to destroy his confidence even further by publicly questioning his work rate at every press conference.

Perhaps the solution actually lies in Roos making improvements to his own coaching. The stoppage-heavy snorefests we keep dishing up will not deliver another premiership. If he can apply his energy to getting a forward line that functions properly and a midfield that can kick properly then everyone will benefit.

Instead of worrying about the defensive pressure applied by forwards, wouldn?t it make more sense to train Swans midfielders pick the right forward target and deliver the ball cleanly to a well structured forward line?

I am not suggesting defensive pressure isn?t important, but surely mitigating the need for it by improving team structure and skills is a far more logical answer.

So basically you are suggesting that Roos change a game plan that has won us a premiership and nearly another to accomodate the lack of pace and work off the ball of a player who is clearly unfit and unwilling to contest a hard ball. And furthermore never publicly criticise him because it may affect his self confidence. Way to go. Why not just call the club the Nick Davis Football Club. With a chicken as mascot.

[reigning premier]

Roos is a first class hypocrite. snip....

Hate to do it, but going to have to agree with you on this one Hammo...

The inequity and double standards are apalling. Roos has lost a lot of my confidence/faith after this latest outburst whic, at the very least, is totally unprofessional.

[reigning premier]

So basically you are suggesting that Roos change a game plan that has won us a premiership and nearly another to accomodate the lack of pace and work off the ball of a player who is clearly unfit and unwilling to contest a hard ball. And furthermore never publicly criticise him because it may affect his self confidence. Way to go. Why not just call the club the Nick Davis Football Club. With a chicken as mascot.

You're looking for something that's not there Connolly.

The implication, and it's pretty much irrefutable when you look at the evidence, is that Nick Davis is measured far to harshly in comparison to others and publicly berated over it, when others are treated with a lot more sympathy/empathy.

I don't think even you could deny that!

[hammo]

So basically you are suggesting that Roos change a game plan that has won us a premiership and nearly another to accomodate the lack of pace and work off the ball of a player who is clearly unfit and unwilling to contest a hard ball. And furthermore never publicly criticise him because it may affect his self confidence. Way to go. Why not just call the club the Nick Davis Football Club. With a chicken as mascot.

I am suggesting defensive pressure of our forwards would not be as much of an issue if our midfielders could kick it cleanly to a target inside 50.

What's the point of being a good tackler if you never get to the ball first? The same applies to forwards who constantly get balls kicked over their heads or at their feet.

The priority for our forward line (and therefore those who kick it to them and the coaches who work out the structure) should be scoreboard pressure, not defensive pressure.

[ScottH]

Roos is a first class hypocrite. His public criticisms of Nick Davis everytime a microphone is put in his face are at total odds to the treatment he dished out to Davis when he spoke his mind in 2006 and reflect very poorly on his man management skills.

Funny I saw him with one in his face on Sun nite. Don't recall him saying any thing about Davis

[hammo]

Funny I saw him with one in his face on Sun nite. Don't recall him saying any thing about Davis

When do you think he said this:

"He's struggling, no doubt," Roos said. "We'll have to look at ways to get him back into form. When we brought him back we knew he hadn't done the things we wanted him to do. It was a bit of a risk, a bit of a gamble, but probably one of the ones that hasn't paid off."

Swans rue touch-and-go call - realfooty.com.au

[ScottH]

When do you think he said this:


Swans rue touch-and-go call - realfooty.com.au

I haven't seen any of the game or post match from Sunday on TV..

That wasn't when I saw him.

[BloodNut]

As has been pointed out, there is minimal difference to the output of MOL and Davis over recent seasons, yet MOL cannot put a foot wrong with former team mate Roos while Davis is dropped and publicly panned by the coach through the media. MOL has the luxury of playing out of the goal square while Davis is ignored by team mates up field, due to an incompetent game plan.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's because MOL commits himself more to the team and is a team player? Maybe because Roos has more respect for MOL and what he has done despite having the injuires he has? Maybe it's that MOL isn't a complete wanker? FWIW Nick Davis comes across as an annoying bogan idiot away from football. You know one of those annoying personalities that always feels the need to act like a 10 year old or a smartarse. Who knows if he gives Roosy cheek during the week. Nick Davis is very immature and has always been like this which had me thinking if he isn't actually a bit slow.

I know which personality i would choose if i had too and it wouldn't be that of Nick Davis.

I doubt any management handbook would say the solution to Davo?s woes are to destroy his confidence even further by publicly questioning his work rate at every press conference.

Maybe if Nick followed what Roosy wants him to do then he wouldn't feel the need. Don't try and paint poor nicky as a victim. He is just lazy and laconic - always has been, even at the pies.

I doubt any management handbook would say the solution to Davo?s woes are to destroy his confidence even further by publicly questioning his work rate at every press conference.

To me it's not confidence but more he just couldnt be @@@@@@ no more and knowing he wont be there no more. Again trying to paint poor nicky as the victim. He is just lazy.

Perhaps the solution actually lies in Roos making improvements to his own coaching. The stoppage-heavy snorefests we keep dishing up will not deliver another premiership. If he can apply his energy to getting a forward line that functions properly and a midfield that can kick properly then everyone will benefit.

Well we never had the best list and Paul Roos devised a game plan where he could extract as much as he could with a semi decent group of players. I suggest if you have better ideas maybe you should apply to the swans for a coaching gig or even send them a long email. I don't have a problem with our game plan but i do have a problem with the same skill errors. But it won't change cause thats as good as players will get. Maybe 5 years of tanking we might land decent players with natural skills. Yeah i am willing to do a carltank.

Instead of worrying about the defensive pressure applied by forwards, wouldn?t it make more sense to train Swans midfielders pick the right forward target and deliver the ball cleanly to a well structured forward line?

err no. Nothing wrong with defensive pressure applied by forwards.

I am not suggesting defensive pressure isn?t important, but surely mitigating the need for it by improving team structure and skills is a far more logical answer.

Our skills are not going to get better as we make the same skill errors for at least 5 years now.

[BloodNut]

When do you think he said this:

Swans rue touch-and-go call - realfooty.com.au

errr nothing negative about that comment. He was just being honest in his assessment of Nick. Stop reading too far into things.

[connolly]

You're looking for something that's not there Connolly.

The implication, and it's pretty much irrefutable when you look at the evidence, is that Nick Davis is measured far to harshly in comparison to others and publicly berated over it, when others are treated with a lot more sympathy/empathy.

I don't think even you could deny that!

I think Benny Mathews has been treated more harshly this year at the selection table. Clearly he's in good form in the 2's but the youth policy is keeping him out. As for Davo Roos does directly comment on his shortcomings more than any other player. The reason I would suggest is that Davis by going public with his complaints about being dropped in 06 has contributed the public interest and "controversy"about his non-selections. I think Roos pre-empts any posible commentary by the media and possibly Davis by telling it how it is. All that said Davo is different and good on him for that. The young bloke who served me at the supermarket at Taren Point a while ago reckons he's a mate and he's a good bloke. Just wish he would have a go.