Roos hits back at North's reaction

[TheGrimReaper]

I've just seen a snippet of Brayshaw speaking on the matter on FSN. Spluttered when he claimed he was just fighting for his club and a quarter of a million supporters...

Quarter of a million supporters? That's the funniest @@@@ I have ever seen.

God, that man is useless.

[ItsAllGoodes]

....then Roos made a poor decision to drag off a player who could very well be involved in the next play.

Roos did not make a poor decision to drag off a player to be involved in the next play. The absolute right decision was made, simply to get the closest player to the Interchange off once the mistake was realised...so that there was the shortest possible time with 19 players on the field

If we had farted around to get some other player off there would have been even greater reason to punish us further, possibly the loss of points. The longer time might also have resulted in Jesse White (as the 19th man) getting involved in the play

It would be harder to argue that it was an innocent error if you do not correct it straight away

[Kanga]

Kanga, there must be something wrong with me I think. That is the most sensible post you have made since I have known ya!

I agree 100%

A moment of clarity for me i guess.

Given the way the game was played and the controversy in the last few minutes for both sides it is a real shame that they dont meet each other again this season (once Edwards' leg is fixed.) Can't wait for the return bout in 2009.

[chalbilto]

It may be possible that they may play against each other in the finals this year.

[CureTheSane]

I really don't understand what everyone is harping on about in here. Having 19men on the field is illegal. Whether it was intentional or not, or whether the Kangas called for a head count or not, or whether the AFL were too harsh or not are just moot points. This error could have had diabolical consequences as we were in the wrong.

As illegal as it may be, the rules state that the opposition captain must call for a head count. The rule is stupid, but valid.

The Swans made a mistake.

Whether or not the AFL were too harsh is not a moot point.
It is a very relevant point given past occurrences of the same thing that resulted in much less harsh penalties.
These 'diabolical consequences' you speak of happen in every game on the field caused by the umpires.

As a general rule, I see all the crap posted here about the AFL being biased and useless as just that - crap.

But that doesn't mean that they are unable to make a bad call, and here, I would say that a bad call was made.
15K would have been more appropriate.
If we had done it intentionally, then 50K

[ScottH]

If we had done it intentionally, then 50K

It that was the case ,it should have been loss of points, and possibly further penalties, as it would then come under some cheating rule, as opposed to a stupid, dumb, mistake rule.

[TheGrimReaper]

A moment of clarity for me i guess.

Given the way the game was played and the controversy in the last few minutes for both sides it is a real shame that they dont meet each other again this season (once Edwards' leg is fixed.) Can't wait for the return bout in 2009.

It's stupid how the draw is worked out.

Hawthorn and Geelong don't play each other until Round 17.

[Chow-Chicker]

As illegal as it may be, the rules state that the opposition captain must call for a head count. The rule is stupid, but valid.

The Swans made a mistake.

Whether or not the AFL were too harsh is not a moot point.
It is a very relevant point given past occurrences of the same thing that resulted in much less harsh penalties.
These 'diabolical consequences' you speak of happen in every game on the field caused by the umpires.

As a general rule, I see all the crap posted here about the AFL being biased and useless as just that - crap.

But that doesn't mean that they are unable to make a bad call, and here, I would say that a bad call was made.
15K would have been more appropriate.
If we had done it intentionally, then 50K

Interestingly, Dr Peter Larkins said on TFS last night that he had seen on a couple of occasions when our guys ran onto the field prior to the interchange player coming off. He indicated that Brent Harvey went to come off and went straight back on without being interchanged, but (I forget who he said it was) ran back on to tag Harvey before another Swans player came off. He reckons there was a 20 sceond period where we had 19 players on the field other than the White / Jolly situation.

[ScottH]

Interestingly, Dr Peter Larkins said on TFS last night that he had seen on a couple of occasions when our guys ran onto the field prior to the interchange player coming off. He indicated that Brent Harvey went to come off and went straight back on without being interchanged, but (I forget who he said it was) ran back on to tag Harvey before another Swans player came off. He reckons there was a 20 sceond period where we had 19 players on the field other than the White / Jolly situation.

As Roos, indicated early in the week, he was sure that it happens all the time, and most teams are probably guilty of it at some point during a game/season.

[cruiser]

North and the likes of Brayshaw can get stuffed!! They should have won that game against us last week but they didnt. Despite playing badly we still managed to get some points WITHOUT any assistance from the 19th player.

[swantastic]

North and the likes of Brayshaw can get stuffed!! They should have won that game against us last week but they didnt. Despite playing badly we still managed to get some points WITHOUT any assistance from the 19th player.

Right on brother.

[NMWBloods]

As Roos, indicated early in the week, he was sure that it happens all the time, and most teams are probably guilty of it at some point during a game/season.

It probably does, but especially when there are tight tagging duties.

[goswannie14]

North and the likes of Brayshaw can get stuffed!! They should have won that game against us last week but they didnt. Despite playing badly we still managed to get some points WITHOUT any assistance from the 19th player.

But they got plenty of assistance from there three extra players...why didn't McLaren wear a North jumper at the game?

[swantastic]

But they got plenty of assistance from there three extra players...why didn't McLaren wear a North jumper at the game?

I wouldn't say that,i thought the umpiring was fair.

[liz]

I wouldn't say that,i thought the umpiring was fair.

The 50m penalties were the thing that stood out. And as the commentators said, in a game like that they were even more valuable than normal.

The one against Davis was probably reasonable - he hung on a bit too long.

The one against O'Loughlin was rubbish. One of the ones against Jude was pretty harsh and I can't remember the other one against him.

In contrast, Buchanan was awarded a free for a headhigh tackle and his opponent remained on top of him with his legs wrapped around Buchanan's neck, arguing the toss about the free with the umpire. It was the most blatant 50m incident of them all, yet Monty got nothing.