Adam Goodes and the best player in the AFL debate

[Industrial Fan]

I hope you are being sarcastic when you say that?

I am.

[Plugger46]

ummm, I know when Adam Goodes has a bad game, it is a very bad game, but out of 22 games a season, he might average 3 bad games. I'm sure in a season of football, Brown, Judd and Franklin have at least 3 bad games too.

You must have missed the bulk of the first half of the 2007 season when he did very little.

[johnno]

You must have missed the bulk of the first half of the 2007 season when he did very little.

true, totally forgot about that, I stand corrected.

[cressakel]

I don't really understand some of your points. Franklin has never struggled to get a kick or hold his position in the Hawthorn side. In his second year he kicked 31 goals in 14 games.

I very much doubt those stats (ie. the goals) on Franklin in his second season. Franklin only played 14 games because he was dropped/out of form/call it what you like for the other eight games that season. I know this because a Hawthorn supporter would advise and complain at the lack of consistency with Franklin.

Are you trying to suggest those other players are not tough? Not at all - just making the point that Goodes is tough and durable as their has been doubts on this side of his game from the media, opposition supporters and RWO posters alike. Or that it matters that they don't play multiple positions when they can dominate their position? I was referring to how talented Goodesy is in multiple positions whereas those other superstars are only talented in one or two positions. I would much prefer, and consequently place higher value, on a superstar footballer in close to every position on the ground than in one type of position/role. If there is a clear weakness throughout a game in the Ruck, Full Forward, CHF or CHB, Goodesy could quite easily go to that position and dominate (and have a significant bearing on the game a la last Saturday) whereas a Judd will still get his classy 30 odd possies as an on-baller but not have the desired effect of plugging a hole and winning the game where needed. That is where I see the difference and why I RATE GOODESY'S matchwinning ability and superstar X factor more than all other players in the AFL.

Once Goodes becomes more consistent he will be seen as one of the greats.

What is consistency ? All supporters of AFL clubs also rave on about the consistency of Franklin, Brown, Kerr, Ablett from year to year and game to game. Even Bradman wasn't consistent. A quack in his last innings - not good enough and where is the consistency Sir Donald....

FWIW - I think Brown is a bit overrated. Until he learns to kick straight Franklin will not be a great.

I agree to both.

[swantastic]

Is he the best forward,No
Is he the best Midfielder,No
Is he the est ruckman,No
Is he the best backman,No

.....but he is very good in all of these positions so that makes him the best versatile player in the league IMHO.2 Brownlow medals backs it up,mugs dont win 2.

Hird,Buckley,Voss are a fair way in front of Buddy and Brown ATM IMO.

[swansrule100]

goodes would be in the top 10 in my opinion. Its a struggle to put him in the top 5.

Its all subjective, but he doesnt perform at as high as level as consistently as judd or ablett etc.

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you can always interpret stats how you want but these ratings show bartel in a good light

[swantastic]

goodes would be in the top 10 in my opinion. Its a struggle to put him in the top 5.

Its all subjective, but he doesnt perform at as high as level as consistently as judd or ablett etc.

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you can always interpret stats how you want but these ratings show bartel in a good light

I added Hird,Buckley,Voss to your list and it was very interesting.

[Lohengrin]

I very much doubt those stats (ie. the goals) on Franklin in his second season. Franklin only played 14 games because he was dropped/out of form/call it what you like for the other eight games that season. I know this because a Hawthorn supporter would advise and complain at the lack of consistency with Franklin.

You are right - he did miss the start of his second season through poor form. He did come back and kick 31 goals in 14 games though, and then 73 in the following year. Goodes ran awfully close to being dropped a couple of times. Still, I don't think it matters that much either way.

Goodes has more versatility than just about any other player in the competition. He also has great matchwinning ability, but I think some others have done it more and contributed overall a bit more regularly.

[Kanga]

I added Hird,Buckley,Voss to your list and it was very interesting.

Carey [onfield performance only!]

[AnnieH]

Carey [onfield performance only!]

You are so freakin dreaming it's not funny sonny!!

You can't put Carey in the same basket as Hird, Voss or Buckley ... on-field OR off-field.

[ScottH]

You are so freakin dreaming it's not funny sonny!!

You can't put Carey in the same basket as Hird, Voss or Buckley ... on-field OR off-field.

Why not??
On his day he was unstoppable.
Off his day he was bloody good.

[AnnieH]

Why not??
On his day he was unstoppable.
Off his day he was bloody good.

Because ... (everybody together now ...)

Carey is a wanker.

[Plugger46]

Why not??
On his day he was unstoppable.
Off his day he was bloody good.

He's not the best player I've ever seen, like a lot of people claim him to be but he definitely deserves to be mentioned in that company.

[Industrial Fan]

Carey [onfield performance only!]

I think he is one of the better off field performers too.

A genuine all rounder.

[Kanga]

Because ... (everybody together now ...)

Carey is a wanker.

I did say regardless of his off field antics - the bloke was awesome on field. Even a Goodes loving character like yourself may have to admit that he could play the game.