Barry Hall to Bulldogs rumour

[hammo]

I hope we trade him. With MOL playing again next season we can do without him.

As good is MOL is when he's up and running, we can't rely on a 32 year old crock to carry our forward line. The Swans are at their best when both Hall and MOL are playing together.

[floppinab]

As good is MOL is when he's up and running, we can't rely on a 32 year old crock to carry our forward line. The Swans are at their best when both Hall and MOL are playing together.

Yep, a lot of talk here on getting rid of Hall but not much on what the Forward Line would look like without him. Although we went pretty well without him in games this year it was only against rabble like bottom 10 teams. Is Playfair the answer????? or ROK closer to goal (but that makes our forward line look a lot like the 'Dogs shortarse forward line). Or are we throwing in the towel and saying we go to Bottom 4.

[floppinab]

Article in today's Sun Herald real estate pages shows Barry Hall is selling his Mattraville residence to move to the coastal eastern sububs the heartland of many Swans players. Page 50 - Domain

LOL, so he sells up Matraville to be 5 minutes up the road closer to rest of the Swans in Randwick/Coogee

[Triple B]

I'm a Hall fan, but if the deal is there and we can benefit I reckon we'd be crazy not to go with it. Hall has 1 maybe 2 good years left. Punters here are talking about letting ROK go if we get a deal. ROK is infinitely more value then BBBH at this stage of their careers. If we can get that quick outside midfielder we need, I say go for it.

As for FF, we could do a lot worse than plonking Currie down there as a resting ruckman. He has played the role in the ressies all year. With MOL, Moore, Vespa and McVeigh feeding off some crumbs I reckon we can make a decent forward line with ROK, Goodes and Playfair up the field pumping it in quickly and long.

[barry]

Either someone they're willing to trade or a decent draft pick to get one from the draft.

How can you classify it as a good deal when you dont even know what the deal is.

As for Farren Ray? Go read the bulldogs forums. He's their equivalent to Matthews.

[#73]

Totally argee. Nice to see some one with a bit of optimism. Here's some more for you. All our players come up fresh as a daisy, injury free after pre season and stay that way for the season. We also trade well and pick up a quality player. Our young players come on in leaps and bounds and come finals time we are jumping out of our skins.

Will the premiership window be closed then? Strewth we finished 5th with a patched up side in 2008.

Nice one, Nico.

Important fact: Barry wants to remain a Swan. He WILL remain a Swan. All this talk is fueled by Hall's management and media idiots.

He'll get the extra year he wants.

[THEREDV]

I'm a Hall fan, but if the deal is there and we can benefit I reckon we'd be crazy not to go with it. Hall has 1 maybe 2 good years left. Punters here are talking about letting ROK go if we get a deal. ROK is infinitely more value then BBBH at this stage of their careers. If we can get that quick outside midfielder we need, I say go for it.

As for FF, we could do a lot worse than plonking Currie down there as a resting ruckman. He has played the role in the ressies all year. With MOL, Moore, Vespa and McVeigh feeding off some crumbs I reckon we can make a decent forward line with ROK, Goodes and Playfair up the field pumping it in quickly and long.

I agree BBB, I'm a massive Hall fan but IF the right deal was to come along, management should consider the proposed trade.

Hall has to consider his options whether he wants security of a two year deal (whether the Swans offer him a one year upgrade or elsewhere) or stay till the end of contract.

[#73]

I agree BBB, I'm a massive Hall fan but IF the right deal was to come along, management should consider the proposed trade.

Hall has to consider his options whether he wants security of a two year deal (whether the Swans offer him a one year upgrade or elsewhere) or stay till the end of contract.

I love this mindset: "I'm a massive Hall fan but IF the right deal was to come along, management should consider the proposed trade. "

No, you're not a 'massive Hall fan'. If you were, you wouldn't accept a trade.

Some of this trade logic baffles me: you'd give up an experienced, battle-hardened, premiership player for the lottery of a draft pick??? Gimme a break.

If Hall left the Swans I'd be freakin' gutted, man. GUTTED! Why? Because I'M a massive Hall fan and he's GOING NOWHERE.

Again: Dumbest. Rumor. Ever.

[Plugger46]

I would trade Hall for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat.

Normally you don't get anything when you cut out a cancer, so 2nd or 3rd round would be great, espec with his age and baggage.

I hope we trade him. With MOL playing again next season we can do without him. While he played some good footy in his last few games it was too little too late. I could say more about what I think of him now but none of it will be nice. I'd be happy to see him traded and I'll look forward to booing him when he plays against us next season.

I don't get any of this. Our best player against Geelong, Collingwood and the 'Dogs late in the season and we simply would've been beaten by 12+ goals without him.
Watch the Brisbane game again. He had a poor game individually but it best displayed how important he is to the team - we got so many crumbed goals due to him bringing the ball to the ground and providing a contest.

Without Hall in 2009, our forward line will look a lot like the 'Dogs forward line of 2008.

I seriously think people are deluding themselves thinking that O'Loughlin, Playfair and co can do it on their own.

[NMWBloods]

How can you classify it as a good deal when you dont even know what the deal is.

As for Farren Ray? Go read the bulldogs forums. He's their equivalent to Matthews.

It would be a good deal because the 'Dogs will be keen to get Hall and so they will provide us with a good trade. Why would you do it if it wasn't a good deal? If we could get a decent young midfielder then it would be better value for us than keeping Hall, while Hall is better value for the 'Dogs than another midfielder.

[#73]

I don't get any of this. Our best player against Geelong, Collingwood and the 'Dogs late in the season and we simply would've been beaten by 12+ goals without him.
Watch the Brisbane game again. He had a poor game individually but it best displayed how important he is to the team - we got so many crumbed goals due to him bringing the ball to the ground and providing a contest.

Without Hall in 2009, our forward line will look a lot like the 'Dogs forward line of 2008.

I seriously think people are delluding themselves thinking that O'Loughlin, Playfair and co can do it on their own.

Fully agree, Plugger. Delusional. That's what it is.

[Triple B]

I love this mindset: "I'm a massive Hall fan but IF the right deal was to come along, management should consider the proposed trade. "

No, you're not a 'massive Hall fan'. If you were, you wouldn't accept a trade.

Some of this trade logic baffles me: you'd give up an experienced, battle-hardened, premiership player for the lottery of a draft pick??? Gimme a break.

That is not correct. You can be a fan of a player but still see what is good for the club and IMO if, as I said, a deal can be done which is good for the club, they should go with it considering BBBH is in the twilight of his career. Whether he had a great finish to the season is irrelevant, he still is in the twilight of his career. The great finish to the season just gives us more bargaining power.

I didn't suggest we should trade him for a draft pick.

The key point here is "a deal can be done which is good for the club". I feel we would be better off with a quality outside midfielder for the next 8-10 years more than BBBH for the next 1-2 years.

[THEREDV]

I love this mindset: "I'm a massive Hall fan but IF the right deal was to come along, management should consider the proposed trade. "

No, you're not a 'massive Hall fan'. If you were, you wouldn't accept a trade.

Some of this trade logic baffles me: you'd give up an experienced, battle-hardened, premiership player for the lottery of a draft pick??? Gimme a break.

If Hall left the Swans I'd be freakin' gutted, man. GUTTED! Why? Because I'M a massive Hall fan and he's GOING NOWHERE.

Again: Dumbest. Rumor. Ever.

Let me clear this up. I am a "massive" Hall fan. I am thinking of the player as well here.

I would be gutted too if Hall left but if he was to leave for the chance to secure his future and the Swans don't offer him an extension, I wouldn't blame him. Would you?

All and all, it is a rumour, the truth will be revealed come trade week.

[Plugger46]

The key point here is "a deal can be done which is good for the club". I feel we would be better off with a quality outside midfielder for the next 8-10 years more than BBBH for the next 1-2 years.

I agree with that but which of their 'quality' midfielders are we going to get? Farren Ray certainly isn't in that category and I can't see another one that they'd be willing to trade. Otherwise, we'll be taking a punt on a 2nd rounder (most likely). Personally, I'd prefer to keep Hall and be competitive for the next two years.

[NMWBloods]

Interesting range of views here - from Hall is too valuable to give up through to Hall is finished and no one would even give us some magic beans for him.

From a Bulldogs perspective, it doesn't seem unreasonable that you'd consider giving up pick #15 and Farren Ray (or if not that then something quite valuable) to win a flag.