Why no Indigenous recruits??

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  • BSA5
    Senior Player
    • Feb 2008
    • 2522

    Originally posted by sharp9
    In short I disagree that race plays any part in the way the players play.

    You think that the difference in Rioli and Ablett's talents are attributable to race....I do not.
    No I didn't. Don't tell me what I do or do not think. Instead, put aside your preconceptions and actually read and digest what I post.

    Read carefully: race and talents are both features of an individual. One has no bearing on the other. To use a more simple analogy than before (since you clearly couldn't understand it), to say individual talents are dependant on race is like saying a ball is bouncy because it is round. They are independent features.

    However, it is an obvious trend that people of indigenous heritage (round balls) TEND to have particular talents (bounciness) over other talents, to varying degrees. Now if a child said he wanted bouncy objects for toys, it would be likely that many of the toys he buys would be balls. Not all balls are bouncy (bowling balls, for example), and not all bouncy objects are balls (OK, I'm actually struggling to think of examples, but you get the point).

    If you were to observe that the child did not buy any balls, it would be a logical to think that it's unlikely he enjoys bouncy objects for toys.

    Originally posted by sharp9
    My other point is a DIRECT RESPONSE TO THIS THREAD...I am not putting words in people's mouths.....there are some on here who suggest that we should recruit more Aboriginal players in order to get more speed and flair into the team...

    TO REPEAT FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT READ...

    Even if a stereotype is true IN GENERAL (ie Aboriginal players are faster on average than white players) it is racist to suggest recruiting an aboriginal player you have never seen just because you ASSUME he will be faster than an alternative white player - this is the logical endpoint of the "Aboriginal players are faster and have more flair than white players and that fact that we don't have any young ones in the team means we are not recruiting for these attibutes."

    And, actually to refer to my earlier statement YES I think that suggesting that some of Rioli's skills are due to his race is racist and denigrating and derogatory (Even though he himself might not think so).

    I realise that these are strong words but I (and the people who study how talent is created) feel very strongly that Rioli's level of skill is due entirely to how hard and for how may hours and in what manner he has practised his skills and built on his natural attribute of enormous speed.
    Jesus, you really don't get it. When people say "we should recruit some indigenous players to get more speed and flair into the team", do you honestly think that means recruiting indigenous players regardless of performance? Or overlooking a white player with similar features just because he's white? Recruiting a Roger Hayden wouldn't do much for team balance, and everybody knows that (not that he's not a decent player, he just doesn't have that pace and flair that people commonly associate with indigenous players, backing up both of our points). Neither would another Andrew McLeod. The point is that a very large proportion of the players with the features we'd be looking for ARE indigenous, so it's just easier to say "lets recruit some indigenous players". What is meant is "let's recruit some players who display the traits most commonly found in indigenous players", but seriously, if people say that, then that's political correctness gone mad.

    If you think that is denigrating and derogatory, then I'd very much like to know why. It's all very well to say that you think it's bad, but I'd like to hear the reasoning. You can't just proclaim things by fiat and not expect to get called on it.
    Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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    • Triple B
      Formerly 'BBB'
      • Feb 2003
      • 6999

      Originally posted by BSA5
      ...and not all bouncy objects are balls (OK, I'm actually struggling to think of examples, but you get the point).
      Breasts ?
      Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3318

        Should have gone for testicles. But hang on, they're balls too.

        What a convoluted analogy.
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • Triple B
          Formerly 'BBB'
          • Feb 2003
          • 6999

          Originally posted by Industrial Fan
          Should have gone for testicles.
          I was going to, but I didn't have the b.......
          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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          • Mr Magoo
            Senior Player
            • May 2008
            • 1255

            If race wasnt a factor in athletic or sporting ability then the 100 metres sprint final should be a nice mix of white and dark people as should the 100 metres swim final. American Basketball would be a nice mix of the races and all of the wide receivers in american football would also be a nice fifty fifty mix.

            The world is not so evenly balanced and racism is not the issue just different abilitys and physiology can be the case between races.

            I noticed that in sundays paper roosy expressed his dissapointment that they had not been able to draft an aboriginal kid to be mentored by Goodsy and Magic. I would suggest that Sydney is not the easiest of places to move to for a kid from Darwin or some other country area. I dont think draftee selection is totally about best footballer, they would choose best fit and ability (and willingness) to handle the move to Sydney.

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            • Industrial Fan
              Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
              • Aug 2006
              • 3318

              Originally posted by Triple B
              I was going to, but I didn't have the b.......
              Breasts?
              He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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              • Triple B
                Formerly 'BBB'
                • Feb 2003
                • 6999

                Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                Breasts?
                Unfortunately, I sort of have them too

                Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  Originally posted by Triple B
                  Unfortunately, I sort of have them too

                  Go the Man boobs!!!!
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • Mr Magoo
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2008
                    • 1255

                    Maybe you should change BBB to BB then?

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                    • Industrial Fan
                      Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3318

                      Or Triple D?
                      He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                      • ScottH
                        It's Goodes to cheer!!
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 23665

                        Originally posted by Triple B
                        Breasts ?
                        Are they indigenous?

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