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  • Wardy
    The old Boiler!
    • Sep 2003
    • 6676

    #46
    Originally posted by Will Sangster
    Congratulations. You've managed to misquote me and miss my point completely.

    What I am saying is that even in 2005 when he was being "good", Hall was potentially a liability. Fast forward to 2009, and his onfield behaviour has deteriorated to the extent that he is without a doubt a liability to the team, irrespective of his goal kicking ability.

    I respect what he did for us in the past, but its time to move on, his sentiments in the article in The Age online seem to agree with this.
    how? I didnt change the quote - so therefore I didn't misquote - its what you wrote! (sorry if this annoys you - but I'm in one of those moods! )
    Last edited by Wardy; 3 July 2009, 01:32 PM.
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
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    • caj23
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 2462

      #47
      Originally posted by Wardy
      how? I didnt change the quote - so therefore I didn't misquote - its what you wrote! (sorry if this annoys you - but I'm in one of those moods! )
      That's alright Wardy I've got to get some work done this arvo so we'll just have to agree to disagree!!

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      • Wardy
        The old Boiler!
        • Sep 2003
        • 6676

        #48
        Originally posted by Will Sangster
        That's alright Wardy I've got to get some work done this arvo so we'll just have to agree to disagree!!
        fair enough - I have a case to read and summarize that I have been putting off for a few days so I must do it today - I must, I must - I would rather poke my eyes out with pins than read it mind you - but I guess thats what they pay me to do! nah maybe leave it until Monday - the verdict isnt going to change!
        I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
        Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
        AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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        • Mr Magoo
          Senior Player
          • May 2008
          • 1255

          #49
          What liablility does Hall impose on the Swans?

          If hes suspended then we have the team that would exist without him and if hes in we have a tough uncompromising forward presence who has played well all year. At worst we in the same position that sacking him puts us in anyway.

          There is no liability in that and only upside to keep him. As for bad example for young guys - Rubbish. He is fit, hard at it , uncompromising and a pretty good shot at goal. Any young player if anything will take those things on board, not the odd brain explosion.

          If I was Roos , I would love to have a tough nut like him in the side. I would be saying privately " Look the AFL wants to potray a wholesome image, so Kirky and I are going to go out in the media and say all the usual stuff but get over your injury and get back firing in three weeks".

          Going forward next year , you would only get rid of him if salary cap restraints meant that you either lose Hall or Vezpremi. The I would let him go.

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          • connolly
            Registered User
            • Aug 2005
            • 2461

            #50
            Originally posted by Kanga
            I am getting worried that I am starting to agree with you Connolly - too often!

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            Pouchman you will have hopped into the red and white within two seasons. Nice fit. You have lived with tragedy and heartbreak.
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            • connolly
              Registered User
              • Aug 2005
              • 2461

              #51
              Originally posted by Will Sangster
              Congratulations. You've managed to misquote me and miss my point completely.

              What I am saying is that even in 2005 when he was being "good", Hall was potentially a liability. Fast forward to 2009, and his onfield behaviour has deteriorated to the extent that he is without a doubt a liability to the team, irrespective of his goal kicking ability.

              I respect what he did for us in the past, but its time to move on, his sentiments in the article in The Age online seem to agree with this.
              Big Beamish like a lot of big aggressive players - Mooney, Brereton, Plugger walks the line. Sometimes they step over it. Its the nature of their aggression. Take it out of them and they wouldn't be half the footballers they are and were. Hall's aggression has contributed to many goals and victories. Its sheer hypocracy to pretend we haven't used it and gained from it. Going the knuckle is over the line. But it doesn't change the fact that these kind of players tread it every time they take the field. Plugger Lockett throttled Mick Martyn and said to him "How does it feel to die in front of 40,000 people". Very witty but very violent.
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              • caj23
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2003
                • 2462

                #52
                Originally posted by connolly
                Big Beamish like a lot of big aggressive players - Mooney, Brereton, Plugger walks the line. Sometimes they step over it. Its the nature of their aggression. Take it out of them and they wouldn't be half the footballers they are and were. Hall's aggression has contributed to many goals and victories. Its sheer hypocracy to pretend we haven't used it and gained from it. Going the knuckle is over the line. But it doesn't change the fact that these kind of players tread it every time they take the field. Plugger Lockett throttled Mick Martyn and said to him "How does it feel to die in front of 40,000 people". Very witty but very violent.
                Don't disagree with the points you made there, but Hall crossed the line with the king hit on staker which was one of the more disgraceful efforts i have seen on the football field.

                Since that incident he owed it to his teammates and coach to stay out of trouble. The Rutten hit wasn't that big if it was an isolated incident but it wasn't.

                I mean is it really that hard to not punch an opponent for no reason on the football field??????

                It's not much to ask but he just couldnt help himself and the team is poorer as a result

                The liability he places on the team is that when he sees the red mist, we effectively play 1 man short, it's similar to the effect Fevola has on the Blues and it is a massive negative.

                Having played football with hotheads before it is extremely disheartening when youre busting your gut and 1 player lets the team down with undisciplined acts. Additionaly, there's nothing better for an opposition team then to see an opponent lose their cool, its a psychological boost as you know you've got them on toast

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                • connolly
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 2461

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Will Sangster
                  Don't disagree with the points you made there, but Hall crossed the line with the king hit on staker which was one of the more disgraceful efforts i have seen on the football field.

                  Since that incident he owed it to his teammates and coach to stay out of trouble. The Rutten hit wasn't that big if it was an isolated incident but it wasn't.

                  I mean is it really that hard to not punch an opponent for no reason on the football field??????

                  It's not much to ask but he just couldnt help himself and the team is poorer as a result

                  The liability he places on the team is that when he sees the red mist, we effectively play 1 man short, it's similar to the effect Fevola has on the Blues and it is a massive negative.

                  Having played football with hotheads before it is extremely disheartening when youre busting your gut and 1 player lets the team down with undisciplined acts. Additionaly, there's nothing better for an opposition team then to see an opponent lose their cool, its a psychological boost as you know you've got them on toast
                  Agree with all that. He acted like a bad mug. But he will still give us a lot with the young players. Jesse White and Kris Thornton against the Crows were really supportive after the incident.
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                  • Mountain Man
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 910

                    #54
                    He should retire - hopefully gracefully - after a great career.

                    He would probably not have been permitted to play in '05 if the current football regime was in place, and then yes, the coach and his teammates would have had to learn new trick to feed a newly structured forward line - as they will, again, need to do for the next 2 weeks.

                    It is not suiting him, and probably not suiting the team.

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                    • sWAns63
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 572

                      #55
                      All you have to do is make 1 rule book for him so he can do anything he likes and a another one for everyone else to say they can't.............see no problem!

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                      • Lucky Knickers
                        Fandom of Fabulousness
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 4220

                        #56
                        You know when you hate your job? You're trying to get psyched. "Today's the day I'm going to get it right, make a difference, come out on top". You turn up and everyone you work with gives you the @@@@s. Your clients (opposition) just piss you off with their demands and let's not mention the regulators that keep changing the legislation!
                        Bazz needs a free month's membership on seek.com

                        Love the bloke but can't see him staying. I think he's over it and sadly the feeling is mutual. It's not a case of throwing money at him or giving him a promotion. What needs to change to make Baz a happy player? I can't work it out.
                        Last edited by Lucky Knickers; 4 July 2009, 05:46 AM.

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                        • Darren Thomson
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 291

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Nico
                          Who's on first.
                          Whats on second


                          Paul Roos for PM

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                          • Darren Thomson
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 291

                            #58
                            Hally should just pull his head in a fraction, fair dinkum he knocks blokes over by looking at them, remember that Port Adelaide game where he flinched at a bloke and down he went? He is a very fit man, and could probably play possibly 2 more years, question is can we provide him with a midfield that can deliver the ball in a way that he gets a fair crack at it. Probably a minor point would be can he ever expect a fair suck of the savaloy from the umpires? I'd love to see career stats on his frees for and against. Stack themm upo against Wayne Carey, nothing more than a thug with a nice haircut, see what they look like, I'm willing to bet Hally comes off second best. I think he's hard domne by, but in part brought it on himself. In the end, he's our best forward, why would we sack him?


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                            • Jewels
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3258

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Nico
                              Who's on first.
                              Originally posted by Darren Thomson
                              Whats on second
                              I don't know, third base!

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                              • annew
                                Senior Player
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 2164

                                #60
                                BBBH should stay!

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