Well, blow me down with a feather (OTC)

[CJK]

Is this the same Melboure media that are reporting that the Swans are moving back to Melbourne?

OK, it was the 3AW rumour file, but they did let it go to air. Idiots

[goswannie14]

You mean like how the Melbourne media has failed to notice Rich, Clarke, Drummond, Dalziel, Stiller, Dangerfield, Tippett, Vince, Porplyzia, Naitanui, McKinley, LeCras, Priddis... oh wait...

A couple of these guys have been round for quite a few years, so don't know what your point is.

[Plugger46]

A couple of these guys have been round for quite a few years, so don't know what your point is.

Yep and Bird and Jack have shown just as much as Dangerfield and Stiller. McKinley can't get a kick. Some others (not all of the ones mentioned) are simply noticed because they were taken high in the draft.

[ScottH]

Is this the same Melboure media that are reporting that the Swans are moving back to Melbourne?

OK, it was the 3AW rumour file, but they did let it go to air. Idiots

It's true!!
For this weekend at least.

Someone at work told me about that rumour.
Explains how they will fit a 2nd sydney team into the sydney market.

[Lohengrin]

Yep and Bird and Jack have shown just as much as Dangerfield and Stiller. McKinley can't get a kick. Some others (not all of the ones mentioned) are simply noticed because they were taken high in the draft.

As I said before, those players have played less than 60 games and were mentioned a couple of years ago. It was in a response to a comment saying that the Melbourne media don't notice any non-Victorian youngsters. They do when they do something (or if taken as high draft picks). Swans youngsters don't get talked about a lot because they've not really stood out to anyone except a few Swans supporters yet. The Melbourne media rarely, if ever, comment on young, unknown players in the reserves.

[Lohengrin]

A couple of these guys have been round for quite a few years, so don't know what your point is.

Porplyzia has played just 59 games. LeCras just 50. Porplyzia debuted in 2006, and LeCras only played 5 games prior to 2007. So they haven't been around that long. Last season and prior, when they had played just 30-40 games, the Melbourne media commented on them as being good, upcoming players.

We have a few players in that sort of game range. Some are mentioned occasionally such as Jack and sometimes Bird. Others aren't mentioned much because they haven't really show a lot on a regular basis yet. Malceski was certainly noticed at that time.

So it does not appear the case that the Melbourne media ignores the Swans or other non-Victorian clubs. That they probably have less focus on them is not really surprising and is probably a reflection of the lack of reporting in the Sydney media.

[Mr Magoo]

Porplyzia has played just 59 games. LeCras just 50. Porplyzia debuted in 2006, and LeCras only played 5 games prior to 2007. So they haven't been around that long. Last season and prior, when they had played just 30-40 games, the Melbourne media commented on them as being good, upcoming players.

We have a few players in that sort of game range. Some are mentioned occasionally such as Jack and sometimes Bird. Others aren't mentioned much because they haven't really show a lot on a regular basis yet. Malceski was certainly noticed at that time.

So it does not appear the case that the Melbourne media ignores the Swans or other non-Victorian clubs. That they probably have less focus on them is not really surprising and is probably a reflection of the lack of reporting in the Sydney media.

Totally agree on the lack of reporting. After halls farewell on the weekend there has barely been any coverage this week of AFL at all let along the swans by the Daily telegraph which loudly proclaims at the start of each season that it is the swans newspaper.

[Vonsteinman]

So it does not appear the case that the Melbourne media ignores the Swans or other non-Victorian clubs. That they probably have less focus on them is not really surprising and is probably a reflection of the lack of reporting in the Sydney media.

The Melbourne media does focus less on the interstate clubs, obviously. It's bloody annoying but makes sense as they're catering to the audience.

However, in SA, the Crows and Power players have similar - if smaller scale - footy media throngs and can't so much as pick their noses without it being reported and the same can be said over in the west. So I reckon the Adelaide/Perth hype drifts east by virtue of national media agencies for example. The research on these states is done for the Melbourne 'experts'.

As you say, the youngsters don't seem to get reported on as much in Sydney. Whether that's because the stars take the limited headline space or what I don't know.

I think talkback radio in the 'traditional' football states also generates a lot of hype. The way we've all been rabbiting on about Hannenery's recent performances for example, if we were Collingwood fans we'd be calling SEN daily to talk about him or Gerard Healy's drive time sports show (if that still runs on AW??). All of a sudden the 'hype' surrounding Hannebery would be massive.

The thing is, it's bloody annoying especially if you live in Melbourne and don't have internet, because you rarely get to read about your team. But the relative anonymity for AFL players in Sydney has been and continues to be a blessing in many cases, so it probably isn't worth getting too worked up about IMO.

[Lohengrin]

Yep, seems we agree.

[SwansFan1972]

Originally Posted by SwansFan1972
The only reason the Swans were mentioned at the top of the OTC run sheet was so Hirdy could delight in how well his Dons were going - talk turned to them within 30 seconds of the game being raised (the Dons are ahead of where he thought they'd be etc).

Gerard (as usual) provides most insight into Swans, but even his talk last night was pretty thin - "we need a key forward". Well, knock us over with another feather! What a scoop! Do ya reckon - we need a key forward - really?!?! Who knew? Agree with him 100% about Roughhead though.

The (little) talk through the show about the Swans was superficial (as usual) and included a "highlights" run of our missed goals on the weekend. Gee - thanks sooo much for that Fox! Just what we needed to see!

These comments simply aren't true and are misleading.

Although the commentary on this thread has moved on a little, I'm going back a bit to reject your slur on me about my comments being untrue.

1. Within a blink of the Swans/Bombers match being raised, the focus was on the Bombers, led by a happy Hird who mentioned that they were ahead of where he thought they would be.

2. I stand by the view Gerard is the only one who knows anything about the Swans and usually leads discussion on them, apart from recent weeks where Bazza was providing the material and old father sheahan was happy to be all over him! They did discuss our need for a full forward, (Roughy, Fev or within) and little else (with Gerard getting animated in hosing down the "benefits" of Fev to Sydney) - which part of what I said is untrue?

All Hird came up with in relation to the Swans was Fev to Sydney (most likely out of a desire to weaken the Blues rather than any interest in Sydney's fortunes - that is pure speculation on my part however).

3. As for the footage of the match, were you off making a coffee when they made a point of showing both Goodes and Crouch missing shots on goal?

Have another look at the show, and maybe put your manners back in.

[Lohengrin]

1. Within a blink of the Swans/Bombers match being raised, the focus was on the Bombers, led by a happy Hird who mentioned that they were ahead of where he thought they would be.

That's because it was beginning when they touched on a few topics quickly. The Swans were discussed in more depth in the middle of the show and Essendon was not covered in any depth until after that.

2. I stand by the view Gerard is the only one who knows anything about the Swans and usually leads discussion on them, apart from recent weeks where Bazza was providing the material and old father sheahan was happy to be all over him! They did discuss our need for a full forward, (Roughy, Fev or within) and little else (with Gerard getting animated in hosing down the "benefits" of Fev to Sydney) - which part of what I said is untrue?

He does more than the others, as with Freo too, but they cover 16 teams each week and the Swans are not necessarily more superficially covered than anyone else. They pretty much didn't mention the Bulldogs at all for example. Certainly during the 2006-08 period the Swans were talked about a lot.

All Hird came up with in relation to the Swans was Fev to Sydney (most likely out of a desire to weaken the Blues rather than any interest in Sydney's fortunes - that is pure speculation on my part however).

They have discussed various issues about the Swans before.

3. As for the footage of the match, were you off making a coffee when they made a point of showing both Goodes and Crouch missing shots on goal?

They showed Crouch's shocking miss, which is what they do for other sides too - look at all the Richmond ones later. This is something that is normal discussion rather than Swans bashing. The impression from your post was that they pretty much ignore the Swans or are just negative on them, which isn't really true.

[ShockOfHair]

The question I'd like to throw in, how much does it matter to the club if it gets a good rap in the Melbourne media?

Is it a big deal if the wider footy public thinks the Swans are raising up a generation of duds?

I'm thinking you just want to avoid the extremes -- getting either really huge wraps or being dismissed as hopeless.

[Plugger46]

The question I'd like to throw in, how much does it matter to the club if it gets a good rap in the Melbourne media?

Is it a big deal if the wider footy public thinks the Swans are raising up a generation of duds?

I'm thinking you just want to avoid the extremes -- getting either really huge wraps or being dismissed as hopeless.

I personally couldn't care less what people in the media think about our list. The part that annoys me is that fans of oppostion clubs (and ours) can't form opinions for themselves and take everything said in the media as gospel.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The most frustrating thing is some of the kids getting more attention are no better than the likes of Bird, Jack or even Meredith.

If you compare Naitanui's first 3 games to Vez, I'd happily take our boy and believe I'll still feel that way in 3 years time. McKinley is simply an ok forward in a team that desperately needs forwards, hence why he looks better and gets/got so much hype since he made his first senior appearance.

Clarke is nothing more than a hard worker and you can't tell me Stiller, Vince and Dangerfield have been amazing yet. Dangerfield is the best of those 3 (imo) and even he is overrated by some.

Of the players Lohengrin mentioned before, only Rich, Dalziel and Tippett really burst onto the scene and the rest are taking (or took) their time.

[Mr Magoo]

The most frustrating thing is some of the kids getting more attention are no better than the likes of Bird, Jack or even Meredith.

If you compare Naitanui's first 3 games to Vez, I'd happily take our boy and believe I'll still feel that way in 3 years time. McKinley is simply an ok forward in a team that desperately needs forwards, hence why he looks better and gets/got so much hype since he made his first senior appearance.

Clarke is nothing more than a hard worker and you can't tell me Stiller, Vince and Dangerfield have been amazing yet. Dangerfield is the best of those 3 (imo) and even he is overrated by some.

Of the players Lohengrin mentioned before, only Rich, Dalziel and Tippett really burst onto the scene and the rest are taking (or took) their time.

I hope that the young guys themselves dont get frustrated by the lack of attention and or ignorance to their abilities. I reckon it would be a little bit of a hit to the ego to not be recognised when others of same or lesser ability are, and just because they play in a southern state. While Sydney is good for those seeking anonymity which has usually been the older players who are sick of the attention , I would think this would actually not be such a positive for a younger guy seeking to make a name for themselves in the game.