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  • top40
    Regular in the Side
    • May 2007
    • 933

    2010

    I might be a ?glass half full? person, but I can?t help but suddenly be feeling really excited and optimistic about 2010. Ironically, my own point of nadir was the day of the Swans? Hall of Fame dinner, when Carlton (who had not previously beaten Sydney since 2000), kicked 15 goals to 3 in the second half that afternoon. I thought at that time Sydney would not be likely to return the finals until at least two or three year?s time. Things change very quickly.

    Now it feels just like the latter part of season 2002 all over again.
    Here are some points, (although I concede not all will eventuate, but most should):

    ? Fresh new coaching system. I know that the current Roos-Longmire coaching structure will stay in place for 2010. But everyone will know that change in on the way. A change can be as good as a holiday. Paul Roos himself has talked about being excited about coaching for his last season. I think this sense of exciting and (very unusually) amicable change will have a very positive impact on the players.

    ? Early return to summer training. The one advantage about missing September is that you get a head start with important summer training. In 2005 and 2006 the Swans did not start training until late November. This year they will start in mid to late October. It makes a difference, particularly in the early part of the following season.

    ? The Kids on the move. At least 8 young players are on the rise and should get better in 2010: Hannebery, Jack, White, Pyke (although technically not a kid), Bird, O?Dwyer, Smith, and Veszpemi. Also watch out for Lewis Johnston and the Irishman, Brendan Murphy next year. Can any one remember who were the rising kids at the end of season 2002?

    ? The ?middle age? players to peak: Time is probably upon us that players like McVeigh and Jolly to really peak, and play in All-Australian form.

    ? Leadership at the top. The leadership of the two Boltons, and Brett Kirk will be important next year. Just like how important Daryl Cresswell was important to the team in 2003.

    ? Rolls Royce backline. Led by Craig Bolton, you got a tall and suddenly confident Roberts-Thompson and Grundy, Teddy Richards, the classy Shaw, the reliable Mattner. I would also like to see Mike Pyke playing as an additional tall defender. It's interesting to predict that the the master's (Paul Roos) Sydney backline and defence in 2010, could be following the strength of the apprehentice's (Ross Lyon) St Kilda backline and defence in 2009.

    ? Ryan O?Keefe Enjoying fresh new responsibilities as a quality mid field, should continue in 2010. Currently in All Australian form

    ? Adam Goodes. Enjoying fresh new responsibilities as a quality centre half forward, should continue in 2010. Still got at least one, and probably more, ?Brownlow? standard season left in him.

    ? Henry Playfair. Will play next year if fit. Could then be a very hand tall forward, backing fresh improving Jessie White as a tall forward.

    ? Tim Schmidt. Like Playfair, if fit again, could be a very useful. Has potential to be a very good midfield.

    ? Nick Malcelsk. Fingers cross that he can get his confidence back and return to his 2007 form.

    ? The marquee import. Paul Roos has such a great record with almost every import, (witness Craig Bolton, Jolly, Richards, Shaw). Time has come with salary cap relief to go for a top, marquee import, namely someone like Luke Ball from St Kilda.

    ? A ruckman import. A Premiership player like Seaby would be handy. There will be a few windows of opportunities for an AFL ruckman to come o n board to back up Darren Jolly.

    ? The top 10 Draft pick. Bear in mind that the last three number 7 draft picks, have all had great first seasons: Joel Selwood, Rhys Palmer and Adam Rich, the former two winning the Rising Star, the last the hot favourite to win in 2009.
  • 10Totti10
    On the Rookie List
    • Apr 2009
    • 443

    #2
    Originally posted by top40
    I might be a ?glass half full? person, but I can?t help but suddenly be feeling really excited and optimistic about 2010. Ironically, my own point of nadir was the day of the Swans? Hall of Fame dinner, when Carlton (who had not previously beaten Sydney since 2000), kicked 15 goals to 3 in the second half that afternoon. I thought at that time Sydney would not be likely to return the finals until at least two or three year?s time. Things change very quickly.

    Now it feels just like the latter part of season 2002 all over again.
    Here are some points, (although I concede not all will eventuate, but most should):

    ? Fresh new coaching system. I know that the current Roos-Longmire coaching structure will stay in place for 2010. But everyone will know that change in on the way. A change can be as good as a holiday. Paul Roos himself has talked about being excited about coaching for his last season. I think this sense of exciting and (very unusually) amicable change will have a very positive impact on the players.

    ? Early return to summer training. The one advantage about missing September is that you get a head start with important summer training. In 2005 and 2006 the Swans did not start training until late November. This year they will start in mid to late October. It makes a difference, particularly in the early part of the following season.

    ? The Kids on the move. At least 8 young players are on the rise and should get better in 2010: Hannebery, Jack, White, Pyke (although technically not a kid), Bird, O?Dwyer, Smith, and Veszpemi. Also watch out for Lewis Johnston and the Irishman, Brendan Murphy next year. Can any one remember who were the rising kids at the end of season 2002?

    ? The ?middle age? players to peak: Time is probably upon us that players like McVeigh and Jolly to really peak, and play in All-Australian form.

    ? Leadership at the top. The leadership of the two Boltons, and Brett Kirk will be important next year. Just like how important Daryl Cresswell was important to the team in 2003.

    ? Rolls Royce backline. Led by Craig Bolton, you got a tall and suddenly confident Roberts-Thompson and Grundy, Teddy Richards, the classy Shaw, the reliable Mattner. I would also like to see Mike Pyke playing as an additional tall defender. It's interesting to predict that the the master's (Paul Roos) Sydney backline and defence in 2010, could be following the strength of the apprehentice's (Ross Lyon) St Kilda backline and defence in 2009.

    ? Ryan O?Keefe Enjoying fresh new responsibilities as a quality mid field, should continue in 2010. Currently in All Australian form

    ? Adam Goodes. Enjoying fresh new responsibilities as a quality centre half forward, should continue in 2010. Still got at least one, and probably more, ?Brownlow? standard season left in him.

    ? Henry Playfair. Will play next year if fit. Could then be a very hand tall forward, backing fresh improving Jessie White as a tall forward.

    ? Tim Schmidt. Like Playfair, if fit again, could be a very useful. Has potential to be a very good midfield.

    ? Nick Malcelsk. Fingers cross that he can get his confidence back and return to his 2007 form.

    ? The marquee import. Paul Roos has such a great record with almost every import, (witness Craig Bolton, Jolly, Richards, Shaw). Time has come with salary cap relief to go for a top, marquee import, namely someone like Luke Ball from St Kilda.

    ? A ruckman import. A Premiership player like Seaby would be handy. There will be a few windows of opportunities for an AFL ruckman to come o n board to back up Darren Jolly.

    ? The top 10 Draft pick. Bear in mind that the last three number 7 draft picks, have all had great first seasons: Joel Selwood, Rhys Palmer and Adam Rich, the former two winning the Rising Star, the last the hot favourite to win in 2009.
    Um its Daniel Rich, not Adam. Seaby would be crap, would never consider him. I agree with u though. I feel much more confident about a top 8 finish next year than I was at the start of this year. Ball is prob not the player we want. I think pace is what we should be aiming for. Lake or Maguire would be a handy addition to our backline, while a pacy midfielder could make us a very competitive team/

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    • timbo
      On the Rookie List
      • Aug 2003
      • 344

      #3
      Nick Malcelski - Trade Bait. No room for him in the current development list. Too old to include in the future.

      Tim Schmidt and Playfair - Gone.

      This is the list to groom for the next premiership. Need to collate players developing at the same stages and mix them with a few older players.

      Moore, Jarred 46 games
      Jack, Kieren 44
      Bird, Craig 36
      Barlow, Ed 23
      White, Jesse 17
      Smith, Nick 10
      Veszpremi, Patrick 10
      Meredith, Brett 7
      Hannebery, Dan 4
      ODwyer, Matthew 3


      Target Brian Lake or Tommy Harley for the interim.
      Last edited by timbo; 16 August 2009, 10:46 PM.
      Onwards to Victory!

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      • Bloody Hell
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2006
        • 3085

        #4
        Harley too old....Lake, just right!
        The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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        • caj23
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 2462

          #5
          Originally posted by top40

          ? The marquee import. Paul Roos has such a great record with almost every import, (witness Craig Bolton, Jolly, Richards, Shaw). Time has come with salary cap relief to go for a top, marquee import, namely someone like Luke Ball from St Kilda.


          ? The top 10 Draft pick. Bear in mind that the last three number 7 draft picks, have all had great first seasons: Joel Selwood, Rhys Palmer and Adam Rich, the former two winning the Rising Star, the last the hot favourite to win in 2009.
          These 2 aren't compatable, there will be no marquee import without trading a top 10 pick

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          • Plugger46
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2003
            • 3674

            #6
            Very positive about 2010 but then again, I was a month ago too. The last 3 weeks have just confirmed what I originally thought - the list is in much better shape than some have made out.

            Wouldn't go anywhere near Tom Harley. Probably wouldn't go for Lake either, as it would mean parting with our first-round pick.

            I'd definitely keep Malceski for another year. His best is very good (only two years ago that he was producing it) so he at least deserves another year to see if he can re-capture his best form.
            Bloods

            "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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            • laughingnome
              Amateur Statsman
              • Jul 2006
              • 1624

              #7
              Originally posted by Plugger46
              Wouldn't go anywhere near Tom Harley.
              I would - for a coaching role.
              10100111001 ;-)

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #8
                Originally posted by laughingnome
                I would - for a coaching role.
                Aah ... there's a thought.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • timbo
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 344

                  #9
                  Very good thought. Will probably move to Sydney anyway post career, but would think it might be well timed to a spot in the GWS coaching panel.
                  Onwards to Victory!

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                  • hammo
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5554

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Will Sangster
                    These 2 aren't compatable, there will be no marquee import without trading a top 10 pick
                    Agree. I don't think we need to go after a recycled player this year. The only way this would occur is if we trade for a high pick and on-trade it (we have no realistic players with high trade currency) or to offer big money to an out of contract player in the pre season draft (but will there be anyone?).

                    Best strategy would be to take 5 or 6 draft picks and try to get some classy kids.
                    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                    • Bear
                      Best and Fairest
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 1022

                      #11
                      Originally posted by timbo
                      Nick Malcelski - Trade Bait. No room for him in the current development list. Too old to include in the future.

                      Tim Schmidt and Playfair - Gone.

                      This is the list to groom for the next premiership. Need to collate players developing at the same stages and mix them with a few older players.

                      Moore, Jarred 46 games
                      Jack, Kieren 44
                      Bird, Craig 36
                      Barlow, Ed 23
                      White, Jesse 17
                      Smith, Nick 10
                      Veszpremi, Patrick 10
                      Meredith, Brett 7
                      Hannebery, Dan 4
                      ODwyer, Matthew 3


                      Target Brian Lake or Tommy Harley for the interim.
                      Harley? Maybe another edit required I think...
                      "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
                      Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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                      • Primmy
                        Proud Tragic Swan
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 5970

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dimelb
                        Aah ... there's a thought.
                        Oh dimelb, Tom Harley in Sydney.....mmmmmm chicken.

                        But on a more level headed approach, actually its a pretty good thought. I think he would make a good coach...
                        If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                        • barry
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #13
                          I think Mike Pike has shown enough to not need to go after a ruckman next year.

                          We have 4 in the side already: Jolly, Pike, Goodes, White. Even LRT can cover an injury.

                          But what was glaringly obvious last weekend was the midfield. We should be targetting the best young midfielder in the land with a massive offer.

                          A midfield or Kirk, Jack, mcVeigh, combined with our current backline, and with the Bing Lee forward line of White and Goodes. Its not a bad base to build a team around.

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                          • hammo
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 5554

                            #14
                            Originally posted by barry
                            I think Mike Pike has shown enough to not need to go after a ruckman next year.

                            We have 4 in the side already: Jolly, Pike, Goodes, White. Even LRT can cover an injury.

                            But what was glaringly obvious last weekend was the midfield. We should be targetting the best young midfielder in the land with a massive offer.

                            A midfield or Kirk, Jack, mcVeigh, combined with our current backline, and with the Bing Lee forward line of White and Goodes. Its not a bad base to build a team around.
                            Currie is in the wings also so i agree - no ruckman required.

                            Not sure why (or more importantly how) you'd suggest going after the 'best young midfielder in the land' though? Who do you mean - Bryce Gibbs, Daniel Rich, Joel Selwood? That is fantasy stuff.

                            Bird, Hannebery, Meredith and Veszpremi will all provide an injection of class to the midfield and a very solid base the future.

                            Unless there is an outstanding tall defender available, I'd also think our first draft pick will go towards a midfielder. This draft is supposed to be good for mids and not much else.
                            "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                            • UglyDuckling
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 452

                              #15
                              Originally posted by hammo
                              Currie is in the wings also so i agree - no ruckman required.

                              Not sure why (or more importantly how) you'd suggest going after the 'best young midfielder in the land' though? Who do you mean - Bryce Gibbs, Daniel Rich, Joel Selwood? That is fantasy stuff.

                              Bird, Hannebery, Meredith and Veszpremi will all provide an injection of class to the midfield and a very solid base the future.

                              Unless there is an outstanding tall defender available, I'd also think our first draft pick will go towards a midfielder. This draft is supposed to be good for mids and not much else.
                              There is no use wasting our first pick on a tall unless he is the best talent available. This years draft looks good for gun mids so thats what we should go for.

                              Bolts Grundy LRT will hold down the tall backs for a few years yet
                              White Goodes, Johnston and Vez make a good nucleus for our forward line
                              Hanners Jack Bird Meredith make a solid midfield unit

                              Jolly Pyke & Currie can ruck it up

                              We arnt really deficient anywhere across the ground so we should go best available which is most likely to be a mid, hopefully one with some pace and kicking skills.

                              One area i think we do need to improve is a clever small forward with some pace. I guess vez was drafted for this with a view of moving into the midfield. We need a forward pocket specialist instead of resting mids or throwing ablett up there. A Nahas type would be great or even a couple of indigenous rookies with a view to filling that spot.

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