Trading talk thread

[Cardinal]

There were 3 ruck positions selected....which IMO is the correct number. At the halfway mark Jolly was probably No.2 - the second half of the season had him at 4...possibly 3. He wasn't going to be selected for the AA team on half a good season.....whether he had a slight injury or his intensity slipped away - I don't know. What I do know is had he gone down this year we would have been badly exposed. Probably the most important Swan ATM - AA or not.

It's true Jolly dropped off in his impact over the course of year. But he does more around the ground than the other All Australian selections.

If we are going to have a premiership till in 3 to 4 years and ROK is going to be part of that team, I'll be all for the Swans trading draft picks for experienced, reliable, proven older players in the next year or two

[eggbeater]

Lake ready to accept Dogs' $1.8m deal

THE Western Bulldogs will go into Friday night's preliminary final virtually assured of having secured the services of their star full-back Brian Lake until the end of 2013.

Although the 27-year-old has refused to entertain an official deal until after the Bulldogs' finals campaign is finished, both parties are comfortable with the club's revised contract offer estimated at $1.8 million over the next four years.

Seems Lake is out of the equation now

[laughingnome]

After all the cries from RWO to play more youth I think it?s fair question to ask if ROK's best contribution to our next premiership would be a high draft pick.

If ROK is around come 2013, then I think he's a definite chance of contributing to our next Premiership. In the mean time, he will set a fantastic example on the training track for our young players coming through, and his ability on field will help maintain a winning culture throughout our rebuilding years. We're losing enough experience this year. We need to keep all the rest we can.

I agree with BSA5. This is not Richmond circa 1982. You just don't dump your talented and professional players. It only leads to pain and misery.

[Claret]

Just because you don't agree with something, hardly constitutes as trolling.

There is disagreeing with an opinion and then there is finding something so funny you laugh out loud. When I first read that people wanted to get rid of ROK I physically laughed - I thought it was a good attempt at humour.

I did consider a measured reply, that outlined how things work in the real world, but DST came to the party, again. Always the voice of reason.

[Claret]

It's true Jolly dropped off in his impact over the course of year. But he does more around the ground than the other All Australian selections.

Sandilands yes, the other two no way.

McIntosh and Clark were Dream Team guns this year thanks to the amount of marks, kicks, handballs, tackles they both made. Jols had some very good matches from this perspective also but lacked the consistency and high scoring power of the Roo and Lion.

With my personal set of red and white goggles on I had Jolly in equal 3rd with McIntosh, but he was more likely 4th. Still a very good year!

[liz]

If anyone needs convincing of the wisdom (or otherwise) of seeking high draft picks at the expense of trading club champions, look back to the 2005 draft - a "superdraft" remember.

Our first pick - DOK - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our second pick (3rd round) - Currie - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our third pick - Faulks - delisted after two years
Our fourth pick - White - Rising Star nominee for round 22
Our first rookie pick - Smith - equal best "first year" player in 2009 (with White)
Our other remaining rookie pick - MOD - still a work in progress but was in the team in 2009 r22.

And can anyone who watched us tearfully, with pride, farewell three stalwarts a fortnight ago, players who'd played their entire careers in the red and white, really want to dump our existing senior players before their careers are up, all for some anonymous 18 year old who may retire injured before he ever gets on the field?

[Primmy]

I do enjoy Liz's ability to shoot down the sillier posts with precision and unarguable logic.

[Captain]

There is disagreeing with an opinion and then there is finding something so funny you laugh out loud. When I first read that people wanted to get rid of ROK I physically laughed - I thought it was a good attempt at humour.

I did consider a measured reply, that outlined how things work in the real world, but DST came to the party, again. Always the voice of reason.

Rubbish. I disagree with trading ROK for a draft pick (as most probably do) but there is no need to get your knickers in a twist because someone suggests it.

Stupid trade- yes. Trolling - hardly.

[Captain]

If anyone needs convincing of the wisdom (or otherwise) of seeking high draft picks at the expense of trading club champions, look back to the 2005 draft - a "superdraft" remember.

Our first pick - DOK - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our second pick (3rd round) - Currie - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our third pick - Faulks - delisted after two years
Our fourth pick - White - Rising Star nominee for round 22
Our first rookie pick - Smith - equal best "first year" player in 2009 (with White)
Our other remaining rookie pick - MOD - still a work in progress but was in the team in 2009 r22.

And can anyone who watched us tearfully, with pride, farewell three stalwarts a fortnight ago, players who'd played their entire careers in the red and white, really want to dump our existing senior players before their careers are up, all for some anonymous 18 year old who may retire injured before he ever gets on the field?

Think you mean 2006 draft.

On reflection, that was a pretty weak draft really. Selwood and Gibbs are really the only decent players in the top 10.

Trading a quality established player for a draft pick is massively risky (unless it's the first pick).

[Cardinal]

If anyone needs convincing of the wisdom (or otherwise) of seeking high draft picks at the expense of trading club champions, look back to the 2005 draft - a "superdraft" remember.

Our first pick - DOK - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our second pick (3rd round) - Currie - three years, yet to play a senior game
Our third pick - Faulks - delisted after two years
Our fourth pick - White - Rising Star nominee for round 22
Our first rookie pick - Smith - equal best "first year" player in 2009 (with White)
Our other remaining rookie pick - MOD - still a work in progress but was in the team in 2009 r22.

And can anyone who watched us tearfully, with pride, farewell three stalwarts a fortnight ago, players who'd played their entire careers in the red and white, really want to dump our existing senior players before their careers are up, all for some anonymous 18 year old who may retire injured before he ever gets on the field?

That draft history makes a good argument for engaging heavily in the draft period. Maybe we should be swapping draft picks and building up a team of known quality and through the rookie list rather than taking risks on unfulfilled potential in the draft.

[liz]

That draft history makes a good argument for engaging heavily in the draft period. Maybe we should be swapping draft picks and building up a team of known quality and through the rookie list rather than taking risks on unfulfilled potential in the draft.

Which is essentially what Roos has done far more than other recent coaches.

The answer surely has to be that there is no single one right answer. You do need to speculate to a degree with draft picks, since it is very hard to get a true superstar via trade - they cost too much. But people do need to bear in mind that a first round pick, even a top 10 pick, might give you a better shot at a future star but it is so far from a guarantee it's not funny.

[liz]

Think you mean 2006 draft.

On reflection, that was a pretty weak draft really. Selwood and Gibbs are really the only decent players in the top 10.

Trading a quality established player for a draft pick is massively risky (unless it's the first pick).

Yep, my mistake. Miscounted back my years.

There are a couple of other goodies in that top 10 - Boak, for example, is becoming a fine midfielder.

Many of the rest, especially the taller players, have been significantly hampered by injury. Which just reinforces that even if a recruiter is confident in his ability to judge senior potential from junior form, there is just no way of telling whose body is going to hold up to the rigours of AFL footy.

[Captain]

Many of the rest, especially the taller players, have been significantly hampered by injury. Which just reinforces that even if a recruiter is confident in his ability to judge senior potential from junior form, there is just no way of telling whose body is going to hold up to the rigours of AFL footy.

Should we be worried about Lewis Johnston?

[Bloody Hell]

Sandilands yes, the other two no way.

McIntosh and Clark were Dream Team guns this year thanks to the amount of marks, kicks, handballs, tackles they both made. Jols had some very good matches from this perspective also but lacked the consistency and high scoring power of the Roo and Lion.

With my personal set of red and white goggles on I had Jolly in equal 3rd with McIntosh, but he was more likely 4th. Still a very good year!

Cheers - saved me having to write it.

Jolly is better rucking than the other 2, and that was always the comparison between McIntosh and Jolly they slightly shaded each other in rucking vs around the ground.

[Robbo]

Trolling alive and well on RWO?

Not a troll at all mate. ROK is a very good player but his heart can't be with Sydney 100% given he only played with us this year because he had to and I would much rather an extra first round pick over 2-3 more years of service from him. Given we are in a rebuilding stage I think that's pretty reasonable. I'm all for keeping older players around to assist the younger players but I think we would still have more than enough even if we didn't keep ROK.