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  • Captain
    Captain of the Side
    • Feb 2004
    • 3602

    Originally posted by Damien
    Wow, surprised there is any negativity about Bradshaw??

    All we are giving up is a PSD pick (by the looks) which is an amazing result.

    I'm actually nervous about NOT getting him because I am so bloody excited that we will have some great experience up in our forward line without having to do a trade.

    The last guy we got from Brisbane as a PSD pick has gone on to be ok
    Spot on with everything Damien, agree completely

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    • Bleed Red Blood
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2003
      • 2057

      Originally posted by Damien
      Wow, surprised there is any negativity about Bradshaw??

      All we are giving up is a PSD pick (by the looks) which is an amazing result.

      I'm actually nervous about NOT getting him because I am so bloody excited that we will have some great experience up in our forward line without having to do a trade.

      The last guy we got from Brisbane as a PSD pick has gone on to be ok
      Originally posted by Captain
      Spot on with everything Damien, agree completely
      I do too.

      Originally posted by Grant
      Didnt he already reject a move to carlton during trade week when he was there(along with Rischitelli)?
      If so then why would he want to go there now?
      One article I read said something like 'Bradshaw turned Carlton down (followed closely by Rischitelli)' another one suggested once Rischitelli said he didn't want to move, it didn't matter what Bradshaw said. Anyone know a good source for that?

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6480

        yep it is an interesting one re Carlton..........supposedly he knocked back $1mill for 3 yrs

        so if he wanted more money to go to carlton they would have been able to make that happen already.....you would think.....or is it because Rischitelli didnt want to go?

        ie Rischitelli had another 1yr with the Lions but Bradshaw didnt so Carlton must have said no way to just Bradshaw ??

        hence me thinking that in actual fact Bradshaw doesnt want to live in Melb either........and he said no as well to Carlton......

        So how does Carltooooon benefit at all except having to not pay Fev anymore as they wanted him gone but with no replacement ???
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Robbo
          On the Rookie List
          • May 2007
          • 2946

          Originally posted by Glenn
          Sydney will need a focal point in the forward line to fill the void left by Hall, do you want to rely on Currie to fill that goal scoring void?
          No, and I never suggested that he should.

          We should be giving that job to White. Sure he is young and still inexperienced but we are going to have to back these youngsters sooner or later.

          There's a strong chance that Bradshaw will keep Currie or Johnstone out of the side. I would absolutely hate to see that. We need to get as many games into these kids as possible, that is how we are going to improve and become a premiership threat in a few years, not by treading water with 31 year olds who are well and truly past their best.
          Last edited by Robbo; 18 October 2009, 08:13 PM.

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          • ScottH
            It's Goodes to cheer!!
            • Sep 2003
            • 23665

            Originally posted by Grant
            Didnt he already reject a move to carlton during trade week when he was there(along with Rischitelli)?
            If so then why would he want to go there now?
            No, it was Rischitelli that refused to move.

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            • Plugger46
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2003
              • 3674

              Originally posted by Robbo
              We need to get as many games into these kids as possible, not treading water with 31 year olds who are well and truly past their best.
              Bradshaw's probably coming off the best two seasons of his career - hardly 'way past his best'.

              I'm very keen to get him. Last spot on the list - take a punt on a kid in a shallow draft or take Bradshaw? No brainer surely.
              Bloods

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              • Robbo
                On the Rookie List
                • May 2007
                • 2946

                If we rely on Bradshaw to kick our goals for the next 2 years then we are going to be set back quite severely when he retires.

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                • RogueSwan
                  McVeigh for Brownlow
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 4602

                  Originally posted by Robbo
                  If we rely on Bradshaw to kick our goals for the next 2 years then we are going to be set back quite severely when he retires.
                  I think someone has made the following point elsewhere, but having Bradshaw would mean that White gets the second or third defender instead of the first. After a couple of years White should be then ready to be the spearhead having done his "apprenticeship" (not really the term I wanted to use) on lesser defenders.
                  Something like that anyway. May also give Goodes more opportunities in the middle, but he is a pretty good set shot so I am happy for him to play forward more often than not.
                  or how about looking at it another way:
                  Bradshaw or Playfair ???
                  "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                  • Vonsteinman
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 366

                    Originally posted by Robbo
                    We should be giving that job to White. Sure he is young and still inexperienced but we are going to have to back these youngsters sooner or later.

                    There's a strong chance that Bradshaw will keep Currie or Johnstone out of the side. I would absolutely hate to see that. We need to get as many games into these kids as possible, that is how we are going to improve and become a premiership threat in a few years, not by treading water with 31 year olds who are well and truly past their best.
                    I don't think it's a case of not backing the youngsters. More than anything I see it as a good way of taking a bit of heat off White particularly, while he continues to develop.

                    Bradshaw can be switched into defence as well so there will be plenty of opportunity to make room in the forward line for the likes of Currie and Johnston if they earn a spot.

                    He sounds to me like a quality individual as well (just my opinion) so I daresay he would be a good bloke to have around the club.

                    It would be icing on the cake in terms of the Swans' player movements in the off-season IMO...

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                    • Mitchell
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 12

                      Anyone who does not want to see Bradshaw in red and white is kidding themselves.

                      Little bit over all the BS about keeping kids out of the team and Bradshaw not being a part of our next premiership. Anyone who at the end of 2004 could put their hand on their heart and say we would win in 05 is either crazy or owns a very good crystal ball.

                      Whilst I agree that the kids are the future direction of the club I do not see any value in immediately starting the season with Currie and Johnstone because they need the experience as part of their development.

                      Rather than throwing them in the deep end at the same time surely their is more value in one of them playing alongside a Daniel Bradshaw, who for the record has had 2 good seasons in 08 and 09, to ease them in to footy in the top flight whilst also being around a double premiership player at training etc???

                      We saw this year a week in, couple of weeks out type introduction for Hanneberry and a few of the others so their is no reason it cant work with our aspiring forward line whilst a quality footballer like Bradshaw and the ever improving Jese White form the crux week in, week out.

                      My 2c worth.

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6480

                        once again we need 150 plus goals from our top 5 players just to equal 2009 when we came 12th..........bloody 12th !!

                        so if we want to come top 6 we need approx 200........I think we can come at least 8th if we have another 50 goals plus kicker in addition to what we have started to develop with White and emerging players

                        Goodes got 38 in 2009 - how many more will he get in 2010 realistically.....???
                        Jolly got 16 and was out 5th placed !!


                        Given Saints got 250 goals and lets say we want 200......what 5 players will deliver 200 goals between them in 2010??

                        1. Bradshaw 60 (achievable)
                        2. Goodes 45 (stretch but possible)
                        3. White 40 (big ask 35 most likely)
                        4. ? 30
                        5. ? 30

                        So with no Bradshaw and our bottom 3 kickers only averaging 20 each then we are looking at a grand total of 145 goals if we are extremely lucky !!!!
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • Triple B
                          Formerly 'BBB'
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6999

                          Originally posted by goswannies
                          If he goes in the PSD, he nominates a big figure that the club of his choice is happy to pay, that is beyond the cap limits of other clubs. Also, many clubs already commit to players in the PSD increasing his chances of getting to his club of choice. It doesn't always work. I remember one year the Swans said they would draft someone but the AFL told them on the day of the draft that the players' demanded salary wouldn't fit in the cap so he missed out (I think he might have tried to sue the club over it too).
                          This is correct and I'm surprised nobody has made any comment on who the player was.....

                          Quiz: Who was the player?

                          Hint: He did eventually get to the Swans, but has moved on (successfully, I may add).
                          Last edited by Triple B; 18 October 2009, 09:20 PM.
                          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                          • Cheer Squad
                            Sydney Swans
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1948

                            Originally posted by liz
                            Who do you think the club is better off using its last spot on the 2010 list for?
                            Originally posted by Robbo
                            If we rely on Bradshaw to kick our goals for the next 2 years then we are going to be set back quite severely when he retires.
                            I'd prefer to see the last spot go to someone other than a 31 year old who's done his ACL in the past couple of years.

                            Everyone in favour of drafting Bradshaw seems to be looking through rose-coloured glasses. What happens if he breaks down again? We'll have diverted precious resources for nothing.

                            All our efforts should go into constructing our next premiership team. The chances are very high that Bradshaw won't be part of that, even if he plays for 2-3 years and doesn't get injured again.

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                            • The Big Cat
                              On the veteran's list
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2356

                              Originally posted by Triple B
                              This is correct and I'm surprised nobody has made any comment on who the player was.....

                              Quiz: Who was the player?

                              Hint: He did eventually get to the Swans, but has moved on (successfully, I may add).
                              Ross Lyon
                              Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                              • bennyfabulous
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 351

                                Originally posted by Cheer Squad
                                I'd prefer to see the last spot go to someone other than a 31 year old who's done his ACL in the past couple of years.

                                Everyone in favour of drafting Bradshaw seems to be looking through rose-coloured glasses. What happens if he breaks down again? We'll have diverted precious resources for nothing.

                                All our efforts should go into constructing our next premiership team. The chances are very high that Bradshaw won't be part of that, even if he plays for 2-3 years and doesn't get injured again.

                                What happens if the guy we draft instead never plays a game after breaking down like many of the guys we have drafted in the national draft over the last few years (Willoughby pick 15 for example) ? And what if pick 55 does not play a game are we better off?

                                Correct answer NO!

                                You know what they say about ifs and buts!

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