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  • waswan
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2015
    • 2047

    2014 and 2016 bite on the cap coincided with 2 GFs and also a significant salary cap increase
    Was worth the risk

    Losing Mitchell looks bad in hindsight was the right call at the time
    Same with Mumford, he did get subbed out if a GF to go with a Canadian Ruckmen on half his salary

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    Mitchell stings me more from the coaching box
    Under Longmire he was a non damaging slow ball winner
    Under Clarkson he is a Brownlow Medallist

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      Originally posted by stevoswan
      In the wake of Hanners unforeseen and sudden decline, the loss of Mitchell is being felt now more than ever but the reality is, from this day forward it's just going to be 'one of those things'..... ....with really no one to blame. 'The best laid plans'......'you win some, you lose some' are two cliches that spring to mind which just about sum up this situation and we move on......we have no choice.
      Cliched slogans are the curse of the 21st century. We have no choice now, but there must be accountability of poor decisions past, otherwise poor decisions will continue.

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      • sprite
        Regular in the Side
        • Jan 2003
        • 813

        Originally posted by waswan
        2014 and 2016 bite on the cap coincided with 2 GFs and also a significant salary cap increase
        Was worth the risk

        Losing Mitchell looks bad in hindsight was the right call at the time
        Same with Mumford, he did get subbed out if a GF to go with a Canadian Ruckmen on half his salary

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        Mitchell stings me more from the coaching box
        Under Longmire he was a non damaging slow ball winner
        Under Clarkson he is a Brownlow Medallist
        But remember at Sydney, he was part of a mid field that had JPK, Parker, Hanneberry and Jack performing at or near their best form. At Hawthorn he is basically the centreline and is still slow.
        sprite

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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4193

          Originally posted by 707
          Close thread
          Please.

          I find the Mitchell discussion particularly tiresome. It is done. He's gone. Inexorable expressions of regret and complaint don't make anyone feel particularly good. Can we move on?

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          • sprite
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 813

            Originally posted by barry
            Cliched slogans are the curse of the 21st century. We have no choice now, but there must be accountability of poor decisions past, otherwise poor decisions will continue.
            Perhaps the club needs to employ a psychic to read the tea leaves or the entrails of sacrifices before any decisions are made, just in case we make a bad one in the future.

            I am pretty sure the club would have weighed up the situation and based it's decision on the facts known at the time.
            sprite

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            • Jeynez
              Warming the Bench
              • May 2013
              • 223

              Originally posted by waswan
              Mitchell stings me more from the coaching box
              Under Longmire he was a non damaging slow ball winner
              Under Clarkson he is a Brownlow Medallist
              He is still the exact same player now as he was with us. The difference is that he was our Number 4 midfielder and we didn't rely on him like the Hawks currently do.

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                Townsend would be my 1st choice too, but adding a DFA would complicate things, both for this draft and next year's as well. In any case, you would think Townsend would be better off going to a weaker team where he would have a better chance for a regular stint.
                Townsend has the talent to play in any team, but could give Reid a run for his money regarding injuries. He's had them all.
                If we passed on Darcy Moore due to Injury concerns, Townsend is a definite pass as well.

                I have always been the champion of the injured players. I hoped for Heath James to overcome his hammies. AJ his knee, Reid his.... body, and Donkey his.. Body. At the end of the day, none have come good. It may be foolish to keep someone on the list if they fail to string 2 season together, just by weight of statistics.

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                Originally posted by sprite
                But remember at Sydney, he was part of a mid field that had JPK, Parker, Hanneberry and Jack performing at or near their best form. At Hawthorn he is basically the centreline and is still slow.
                Mitchel was already ahead of Hanerbury and Jack when he was at Sydney. He would have moved ahead of Parker, and quite possible JPK as well this year.
                To say he was 4th in line is misleading. He's the type you build a team around. I suspect Sydney didnt trust him to stay long term, so the risk of building a team around him and then he taking off was too high.
                Last edited by barry; 31 October 2018, 01:03 PM.

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                • The Big Cat
                  On the veteran's list
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2347

                  Originally posted by barry
                  Townsend has the talent to play in any team, but could give Reid a run for his money regarding injuries. He's had them all.
                  If we passed on Darcy Moore due to Injury concerns, Townsend is a definite pass as well.

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                  Mitchel was already ahead of Hanerbury and Jack when he was at Sydney. He would have moved ahead of Parker, and quite possible JPK as well this year.
                  To say he was 4th in line is misleading. He's the type you build a team around. I suspect Sydney didnt trust him to stay long term, so the risk of building a team around him and then he taking off was too high.
                  He was a distant number 4 at the time
                  Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    Originally posted by The Big Cat
                    He was a distant number 4 at the time
                    Ok, got that call wrong. I'll accept a solid 4th, but no worse.

                    Swans 2016 B&F count

                    Top 10
                    1. Josh Kennedy 922
                    2. Dan Hannebery 913

                    3. Heath Grundy 865
                    4. Luke Parker 834
                    5. Dane Rampe 833
                    6. Lance Franklin 827
                    7. Jake Lloyd 684
                    8. Tom Mitchell 672
                    9. Nick Smith 622
                    10. Kieren Jack 601

                    Mitchel was on the same tragectory as Lloyd.

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                    • CureTheSane
                      Carpe Noctem
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 5032

                      Originally posted by MattW
                      Please.

                      I find the Mitchell discussion particularly tiresome. It is done. He's gone. Inexorable expressions of regret and complaint don't make anyone feel particularly good. Can we move on?
                      +4
                      The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                      • Ruck'n'Roll
                        Ego alta, ergo ictus
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 3990

                        Originally posted by MattW
                        I find the Mitchell discussion particularly tiresome. It is done. He's gone. Inexorable expressions of regret and complaint don't make anyone feel particularly good. Can we move on?
                        "It's over and can't be helped, and that 's one consolation, as they always say in Turkey, ven they cuts the wrong man's head off." — Charles Dickens

                        "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - George Santayana

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                        • MattW
                          Veterans List
                          • May 2011
                          • 4193

                          Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                          "It's over and can't be helped, and that 's one consolation, as they always say in Turkey, ven they cuts the wrong man's head off." — Charles Dickens

                          "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - George Santayana
                          It's been 2 years. Any lesson to be learned has been learned. Banging on about it won't improve the education.

                          Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            Originally posted by barry
                            Mitchel was already ahead of Hanerbury and Jack when he was at Sydney. He would have moved ahead of Parker, and quite possible JPK as well this year.
                            To say he was 4th in line is misleading. He's the type you build a team around. I suspect Sydney didnt trust him to stay long term, so the risk of building a team around him and then he taking off was too high.
                            +1 and people who keep telling themselves he wasn't as good when he was with us know FA.

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                            • Ruck'n'Roll
                              Ego alta, ergo ictus
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 3990

                              Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                              +1 and people who keep telling themselves he wasn't as good when he was with us know FA.
                              There's always been a certain jingoistic "my country right or wrong" attitude on RWO.
                              A few years ago offering an alternate view to that espoused by Swans management was frequently met with accusations of disloyalty.
                              Some on here even took this attitude to matters historical: I think the most surreal one was where 2 nameless RWO's claimed what a great idea the Neville Fields deal was.

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                              • Ruck'n'Roll
                                Ego alta, ergo ictus
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 3990

                                Originally posted by MattW
                                It's been 2 years. Any lesson to be learned has been learned. Banging on about it won't improve the education.

                                Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
                                Not sure a moments flip Tapatalk realy compares intellectually with George and Charles, but RWO is a broad church, so thanks for contributing.

                                In any case cognitive science has confirmed that "Banging on" is actually needed for learning/education.
                                The attitude that you express is the thing that fuels the March of Folly,
                                Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 1 November 2018, 07:02 AM.

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