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  • wolftone57
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    • Aug 2008
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    Seems a really confident kid. By the way GWS have only just started their academy so where did they get all this talent? I am presuming that anyone who is in their zone who was with the Swans Academy will now be in the GWS Academy. That may account for the big losses.

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    • liz
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      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16773

      Originally posted by wolftone57
      Seems a really confident kid. By the way GWS have only just started their academy so where did they get all this talent? I am presuming that anyone who is in their zone who was with the Swans Academy will now be in the GWS Academy. That may account for the big losses.
      The Giants' Academy has been running at least a year, possibly a little longer. Cunningham spent last season as part of their Academy, coached by Paul Kelly.

      No-one who entered into the Swans' Academy will have been re-zoned to the Giants' Academy (unless they moved their place of residence). The zones were created before the Swans Academy was established. If you are referring to scholarship players, I doubt these have been re-assigned to the Giants Academy unless the Swans terminated their scholarship. All other clubs retained their rights to scholarship players signed before the deadline (a couple of years ago) so I don't see why the Swans would have lost theirs.

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      • bluetongue
        On the Rookie List
        • Oct 2011
        • 4

        wolftone57, your way off the mark with that comment. Check your list and I think you will find there is only two names who would have been in the Swans Zone. Can't say that would have changed the outcome. Whilst most don't want to admit it, there is a good depth in Western Sydney Junior AFL and if nurtured properly thru the TPP, which it appears it has, will lead to individual player confidence and Team wins.

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        • ugg
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          • Jan 2003
          • 15970

          NSW/ACT U18 RAMS named

          http://bit.ly/MePeka

          The following are Swans Academy players AFAIK, could have missed some that I'm unaware of

          Brandon Jack
          Bradley Plug
          Daniel Robinson
          Dylan Roos
          Jordan Weir
          Jordan West
          Stephen Wray

          Coached by Jason Saddington
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          • 707
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            • Aug 2009
            • 6204

            Originally posted by ugg
            NSW/ACT U18 RAMS named

            http://bit.ly/MePeka

            The following are Swans Academy players AFAIK, could have missed some that I'm unaware of

            Brandon Jack
            Bradley Plug
            Daniel Robinson
            Dylan Roos
            Jordan Weir
            Jordan West
            Stephen Wray

            Coached by Jason Saddington
            Ugg, you seem to be wise in these things, are those the names you expected to be in there?

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            • Moodz09
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              • Apr 2012
              • 5

              Can someone tell me why Andrew Moody is not in the state 18s this year...

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              • Reggi
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                • Jan 2003
                • 2718

                Terry Wallace just did some analysis on drafting. Rated us last for recruitment over the past 8 years. Being largely a wipeout in 2004 - 2008. Less than 20% of players making it from that period
                You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                • unconfuseme
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 681

                  Originally posted by wolftone57
                  Seems a really confident kid. By the way GWS have only just started their academy so where did they get all this talent? I am presuming that anyone who is in their zone who was with the Swans Academy will now be in the GWS Academy. That may account for the big losses.
                  Looking at the 35 man 18's RAMS squad - 8 from Sydney North & South, 1 from North Coast (Swans Zone) - 3 from Western Sydney, 23 from ACT/Riverina (GWS Zone) - that says it all.

                  The GWS Academy it is definitely NOT a "Western Sydney" Academy ... I am aware of a number of kids that age from Western Sydney that have been part of the AFL's talent programs since they were in primary school, who have become totally disillusioned as a result, and some are not even playing now.

                  So whilst GWS have done virtually nothing in "Western Sydney", the rest of their zone, which is traditional AFL territory anyway, has been very well catered for with AFL talent program support for many years, and GWS then simply rode off the back of that from day one setting up structured academies in those areas.

                  No surprise that they are far more advanced in this age group than the Swans Academy, at this time. Things should even up as time passes, IF the Swans Academy is doing what it promises with the younger age groups coming through.

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                  • liz
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16773

                    Originally posted by Reggi
                    Terry Wallace just did some analysis on drafting. Rated us last for recruitment over the past 8 years. Being largely a wipeout in 2004 - 2008. Less than 20% of players making it from that period
                    I think our ladder position indicates the usefulness of that analysis. Either quality matters more than quantity, or other clubs place too much emphasis on recruitment via the draft, rather than via trading. I suspect the latter is the more significant factor.

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                    • 707
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                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      Originally posted by Reggi
                      Terry Wallace just did some analysis on drafting. Rated us last for recruitment over the past 8 years. Being largely a wipeout in 2004 - 2008. Less than 20% of players making it from that period
                      Shows what a dill Wallace is, thank goodness we didn't get him as coach in 2003. Any intelligent observer of the game rates our recruiting very highly.

                      Wallace probably doesn't want to remember the disastrous 2004-2005 drafts whilst he was at Wretchmond. A stack of high draft choices and hardly any of them made the grade. Famously failed to draft either Roughead or Franklin in 2004 when he had the chance. Yep, he's a dill.

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                      • DLBIA14
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                        • May 2010
                        • 673

                        Originally posted by 707
                        Shows what a dill Wallace is, thank goodness we didn't get him as coach in 2003. Any intelligent observer of the game rates our recruiting very highly.

                        Wallace probably doesn't want to remember the disastrous 2004-2005 drafts whilst he was at Wretchmond. A stack of high draft choices and hardly any of them made the grade. Famously failed to draft either Roughead or Franklin in 2004 when he had the chance. Yep, he's a dill.
                        How is he a dill for saying our drafting was @@@@house? It WAS @@@@house. There is a difference between drafting and trading. He specifically assessed drafting. I'm sure if their was a trading analysis we'd come out on top.

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                        • ugg
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15970

                          Originally posted by ugg
                          NSW/ACT U18 RAMS named

                          http://bit.ly/MePeka

                          The following are Swans Academy players AFAIK, could have missed some that I'm unaware of

                          Brandon Jack
                          Bradley Plug
                          Daniel Robinson
                          Dylan Roos
                          Jordan Weir
                          Jordan West
                          Stephen Wray

                          Coached by Jason Saddington
                          All bar Roos made the team to play Vic Country on Saturday. I didn't realise Jordan West was so big, listed at 197cm and 95 kg!
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                          • Reggi
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2718

                            Seems like a pretty big move forward just to get that many in the NSW team from Sydney. Interested to see how they all go. Good to see some big guys

                            Dylan Roos shouldn't worry he has already played in a premiership.

                            I am completely guessing that Brandon Jack is the most likely to get drafted?
                            You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                            • aardvark
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                              • Mar 2010
                              • 5685

                              Originally posted by ugg
                              All bar Roos made the team to play Vic Country on Saturday.
                              Hmmm... was it Roos who traded Saddo to Carlton ?

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                              • sharp9
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2508

                                Wallace was absolutely right....just from memory - Willoughby, O'Keefe, Brabazon, Laidlaw and the other one from that draft, Meredith, Simpkin, Phillips, Currie, Faulks, Eriksen, Davis, Vezpremi....and that's just the ones I can remember who were on the main list. 2009 was Rohan and Jetta then Lamb (??) Johnson, Reid and Parker. Did we change recruiting managers?
                                "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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