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  • Melb Blood Bro
    On the Rookie List
    • Jun 2014
    • 204

    Originally posted by Ludwig
    Does anyone know who pays for the Academy? I have heard conflicting stories, from the AFL paying for all 4 northern states academies to the Swans paying $1 mil. a year for it.
    Denis Carroll explained this to me recently. It is something like this but the figures are approximates from my poor memory;
    AFL - $700k p.a.
    QBE - $1m p.a.
    Swans & Foundation - $1m p.a.

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    • Ditchburn
      On the Rookie List
      • Jun 2011
      • 12

      Also don't forget every parent pays $400 each year for the privilege of their child being in the academy as well, nice money spinner.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        Some of the Melbourne commentary on the academy would have you believe that it's a complete AFL giveaway just to make sure the Swans stay at the top end of the ladder.

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        • Auntie.Gerald
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          • Oct 2009
          • 6480

          i the GWS one is free ??
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • Matt80
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2013
            • 1802

            Originally posted by Ludwig
            Some of the Melbourne commentary on the academy would have you believe that it's a complete AFL giveaway just to make sure the Swans stay at the top end of the ladder.
            I said in another post that I thought in time that all four Northern academy's will contain the best talent in the AFL.

            The Northern academy's are built on the premise that you are taking athletes from others sports and teaching them AFL. What they are doing is taking tough, brave courageous, athletic kids whose tackling is first class. You take a 12/13 year old kid from Rugby League or Rugby Union and you teach them the AFL skills. When they are drafted at 18 they are hardened from their junior rugby league experiences and they have the required specialist skills for AFL.

            If you watch the NAB Auskick at half time it all looks very nice. Kids of the same age that are playing junior rugby league are leaning to tackle 90kg Islander kids who are twice the size of them. That's a tough training ground.

            They then get into an AFL academy where there courage, athleticism and tackling ability lends itself well to the AFL game.

            The Jack boys and Pyke are the best examples of this pathway.

            I think Eddie is worried because he knows that more top 10 talent than Heeney and Mills is coming from the four academy's

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            • Ludwig
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              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by Matt80

              The Jack boys and Pyke are the best examples of this pathway.
              I didn't realise that Pyke went to our Academy.

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              • Matt80
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Sep 2013
                • 1802

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                I didn't realise that Pyke went to our Academy.
                Rugby background!

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                • magic.merkin
                  Senior Player
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1199

                  Originally posted by Matt80
                  I said in another post that I thought in time that all four Northern academy's will contain the best talent in the AFL.
                  the odd one here and there, but not the best talent year in year out or dominating the top 10. Maybe in a few decades they have a handful in a top 10, but i think the WA,SA,VIC,TAS development pathways will continue to evolve as well.

                  It's weight of numbers in the short to medium term. Basketball has Australia's largest registered concentration of basketball players in Melbourne's outer east corridor for example, and yet that area still churns out dozens of elite footy prospects annually with these strong bball backgrounds.

                  The northern academies are fantastic, but still only to a lucky select few in the grand scheme of things. It's not total amateur hour elsewhere in the country. I think the larger group of kids playing in southern and western states are currently subject to a better average pathway/development at the moment compared to the northern states kids who aren't attending academies.

                  Anyways the academies are definitely a great idea, and a must. so rack off Eddie.

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                  • crackedactor
                    Regular in the Side
                    • May 2012
                    • 919

                    TO COMPLETE THE ANGER

                    Originally posted by MomentByMoment
                    The exact moment when Eddie realised he would not get first dibs on Isaac Heeney.

                    Greatest freak out ever (ORIGINAL VIDEO) - YouTube
                    also on SEN radio former Hawk/Nth Melb footballer Nathan Thompson said Heeney is a gun(after watching him play yesterday).
                    Of course on the late night SEN Viney show, they talked and complained that all the sides up North get special treatment from the AFL?

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                    • Melb Blood Bro
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 204

                      Originally posted by crackedactor
                      also on SEN radio former Hawk/Nth Melb footballer Nathan Thompson said Heeney is a gun(after watching him play yesterday).
                      Of course on the late night SEN Viney show, they talked and complained that all the sides up North get special treatment from the AFL?
                      Are you serious? Why doesn't Vineyard talk about Melbourne preferential treatment?

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                      • jono2707
                        Goes up to 11
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3326

                        Interesting - I just had Mike and Mike on ESPN, an American sports chat show. They were talking about how soccer is taking off in the US and how, to further develop the sport domestically, the Major League Soccer had set up an Academy system across the competition. This system actively encourages teams to develop their own talent by giving the teams the rights to any talent they develop themselves through their own academies. Sound familiar?

                        The commentators were unanimous that the MLS has gotten this spot on and that an academy system is the smartest response to developing young talent in a market where football, basketball and baseball are all bigger sports. They agreed that doing this can only strengthen the sport domestically in the US, by providing quality pathways in the sport that otherwise wouldn't exist. Hmmmm.....

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                        • Ludwig
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                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          There is a big challenge ahead for the Melbourne legacy clubs facing extended stints close the bottom of the ladder. To placate the fans they lash out at the unfairness of the system that gives non-Victorian clubs supposed advantages, ostensibly tacking away their rightful places in the top 8. It is easier to ignore the fact that there is an overcapacity in the Melbourne market for a national sport and eventually the demographics will have their way.

                          That hypocrite Eddie McGuire, while pretending to champion the poor forsaken Melbourne footy fan has done everything possible to ensure that Collingwood will be one of 3 or 4 Melbourne clubs to successfully compete in a national game, leaving the others to feed off the scraps he leaves behind.

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                          • Reggi
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2718

                            Spot on Collingwood amongst others have made some poor recruiting decisions in recent years and are trying to deflect criticism

                            I think we will find that AFL's desire to grow north of the Barassi line will exceed many of the complaints. Academies grow the sport and participation.

                            AFL should find there courage and say it
                            You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                            • Matt80
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 1802

                              Originally posted by Reggi
                              Spot on Collingwood amongst others have made some poor recruiting decisions in recent years and are trying to deflect criticism

                              I think we will find that AFL's desire to grow north of the Barassi line will exceed many of the complaints. Academies grow the sport and participation.

                              AFL should find there courage and say it
                              Recruiters interviewed during the TAC game of NSW/ACT V Queensland noted the improvement in standard between the two teams due to the four academy's. I think the AFL will look at that as a positive.

                              I would like to see how the Rams would go against a division one team.

                              The AFL not going to come out and say what we want them to say. The AFL executives have children to feed and competition for their roles. They won't be getting on the wrong side of a media heavy weight like Eddie who has friendships with many of the members of the commission. They will have a review with multiple input and submissions and will give the four northern academy's the green light after the review. Eddie may be irate but he would have had input into the submission. This process keeps an AFL executive from treading on the wrong side of Eddie.

                              I'm also interested to know. If you have a father/son who is a member of a northern academy, who gets first choice? Is it the fathers club or the academy who gets the first choice on a youngster?

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                              • Auntie.Gerald
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                                • Oct 2009
                                • 6480

                                wow Heeney phantom draft guide no 4 pick !!!!!!

                                Phantom draft form guide - AFL.com.au

                                Explosive, hard, skilled. Heeney can do it all through the midfield and does it consistently. The Swans will have to pay top price for the academy player given his credentials. He averaged 24 disposals over three games through the carnival for NSW/ACT and won the Harrison Medal for the best player in division two. To go with his ferocity at the contests, Heeney offers some spark: he's quick, can jump, and takes the ball at top speed.

                                Just wondering how people rate this draft so far in comparison to others?

                                Doesnt appear to be the best midfield depth ??
                                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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