Everitt the New White

[Go Swannies]

After Everitt gave the free away that gifted the Cats a goal his body language was terrible. Even I noticed that he looked like he'd been kicked - or was going to be. I would have taken him off at that stage but he stayed on for a while until he was subbed. We would have ripped into Horse if he hadn't been - and we get a chance to have a go at him when he was.

[Nico]

After Everitt gave the free away that gifted the Cats a goal his body language was terrible. Even I noticed that he looked like he'd been kicked - or was going to be. I would have taken him off at that stage but he stayed on for a while until he was subbed. We would have ripped into Horse if he hadn't been - and we get a chance to have a go at him when he was.

I don't disagree with you thoughts and I was equally miffed by Shaw's simple gifting of a goal, but Kennedy had 8 clangers, Bird 5, ROK 4 and Reid 3 that as good as cancelled out anything he could be credited for in the game. The great Pods had 7 clangers, Kelly 6 Chapman 4 and Selwood 4. I suspect some of those gifted us a goal or 2 in the eyes of Geelong supporters, and they too would have been spewing at the telly. My point was the weather had a massive influence on the skills, and yes our skills were way worse, but to condemn one man above almost everyone else on the ground in my mind is a tad harsh.

[RogueSwan]

... but to condemn one man above almost everyone else on the ground in my mind is a tad harsh.

... but totally in line with what happens on RWO.

Nice words Nico, if the kid has skills it could be better to give another chance maybe. If he gets treated the same as he did at the Dogs he may end up the same type of footballer, ordinary. If TPB give him a chance to redeem himself next game and he still plays an un-Bloods like game send him back to the 2nds until he is killing it.
BTW, does anybody think having Kirk playing last night would have made a difference? I can imagine him leading by example and doing everything he could to try and win. I didn't see either of our currents captains do it to the extent Cap'n would have. He probably would have made Everitt walk a little taller with the right words.

[Nico]

... but totally in line with what happens on RWO.

Nice words Nico, if the kid has skills it could be better to give another chance maybe. If he gets treated the same as he did at the Dogs he may end up the same type of footballer, ordinary. If TPB give him a chance to redeem himself next game and he still plays an un-Bloods like game send him back to the 2nds until he is killing it.
BTW, does anybody think having Kirk playing last night would have made a difference? I can imagine him leading by example and doing everything he could to try and win. I didn't see either of our currents captains do it to the extent Cap'n would have. He probably would have made Everitt walk a little taller with the right words.

That is a really good point on captains. I guess time will tell for us. No doubt Goodes leads by example of deeds on the field and McVeigh probably is respected by the playing group. The danger of comparing anyone to Kirk is that he was exceptional. His interview with Mike Sheahan was the best I have heard from anyone with regards to leadership. I hung on every word and his comments on relationships, compassion, empathy, understanding, patience, persistence, nurturing etc etc reeked of a person who exuded every leadership quality a person looks for.

[RogueSwan]

That is a really good point on captains....

It doesn't necessarily have to be a captain either. If Kennelly or B2 (poor bugger) was down back keeping a cool head for the youngsters to follow, it could have made a big difference. They could look over and see Tadhg looking for the next contest or possesion and think "I am out here with a premiership footballer and he isn't stressing out about a @@@@ty kick, I still have time to pick up my game", and the kid would hopefully try harder at the next contest. Maybe??

[Nico]

It doesn't necessarily have to be a captain either. If Kennelly or B2 (poor bugger) was down back keeping a cool head for the youngsters to follow, it could have made a big difference. They could look over and see Tadhg looking for the next contest or possesion and think "I am out here with a premiership footballer and he isn't stressing out about a @@@@ty kick, I still have time to pick up my game", and the kid would hopefully try harder at the next contest. Maybe??

Correct... and I think Kirk had a big hand in nurturing this style within the team. I think all clubs try to have sectional leaders and it all comes down to do they have people who can excel at these roles. The press in Melbourne have put the blowtorch on Melbourne in this regard, in that they as good as retired McDonald and Bruce after 2010 and the questions are being asked..."where are the leaders at the club", and the talkback callers are asking the same thing. The 2 players who are pretty handy on the field and it appears were the heirs apparent, are Moloney and Sylvia, hardly the best of role models.

[Go Swannies]

I don't disagree with you thoughts and I was equally miffed by Shaw's simple gifting of a goal, but Kennedy had 8 clangers, Bird 5, ROK 4 and Reid 3 that as good as cancelled out anything he could be credited for in the game. The great Pods had 7 clangers, Kelly 6 Chapman 4 and Selwood 4. I suspect some of those gifted us a goal or 2 in the eyes of Geelong supporters, and they too would have been spewing at the telly. My point was the weather had a massive influence on the skills, and yes our skills were way worse, but to condemn one man above almost everyone else on the ground in my mind is a tad harsh.

I've been away from the computer for a few hours and come back to find this! I had to go back to what I wrote to see if I wrote it in English. I'm trying to see how anyone with basic comprehension could read what I said as a criticism of Everitt giving away the free. I still can't but obviously you and RS do. The point I was making is that I saw a kid who really wanted to run away and hide. If the coaches wanted to be cruel to be kind they could have left him out there to work his way through his anguish - and it seriously looked like that in the minutes after - or they could leave him with a shred of respect and sub him off. They subbed him off. I also expected RWO to rip into the decision either way. I'm rather sad I was collateral damage along the way.

[liz]

... BTW, does anybody think having Kirk playing last night would have made a difference? I can imagine him leading by example and doing everything he could to try and win. I didn't see either of our currents captains do it to the extent Cap'n would have. He probably would have made Everitt walk a little taller with the right words.

I didn't see the outcome on Saturday as being one of leadership. Some heads did drop in the last 10 minutes or so but the game was gone by then.

The main factors as I saw them were:

- in the first half, where we were more than matching Geelong in contested ball winning and overall effort, there were too many energy sapping bad kicks and no-one up forward could hang onto a mark in the conditions so we could get some score on the board

- for the next quarter and a half, Geelong raised their intensity and fatigue / inexperience started to show in too many of our players. The team completely lost its structure by the end of the 3rd quarter and start of the 4th such that even when we were winning ball, it was in vain because none of it actually led to coherent moves forward.

I don't think Kirk's leadership would have made any difference in those circumstances. Yet in the past three games, when the team managed to turn losing positions into winning (or drawing ones), the onfield leadership seemed to work fine.

That's not to say that Kirk's leadership might not be missed at some point in the year. I just don't think there is any evidence so far that it has been a factor.

[RogueSwan]

I didn't see the outcome on Saturday as being one of leadership. Some heads did drop in the last 10 minutes or so but the game was gone by then.

...

Fair enough, we were just beaten by a better team, I can live with that. We have a lot more room for improvement, can the Cats say the same thing? I hope not

I've been away from the computer for a few hours and come back to find this! I had to go back to what I wrote to see if I wrote it in English. I'm trying to see how anyone with basic comprehension could read what I said as a criticism of Everitt giving away the free. I still can't but obviously you and RS do. ...

My response was really to Nico's point about others performances, as the general theme of the thread had become a strong criticism of Everitt, not to single out your post which now, looking back, is how it appears. Apologies, that was not my intention, I was trying to add to the discussion on how to deal with the mistakes of the youngsters in the side.

[Go Swannies]

My response was really to Nico's point about others performances, as the general theme of the thread had become a strong criticism of Everitt, not to single out your post which now, looking back, is how it appears. Apologies, that was not my intention, I was trying to add to the discussion on how to deal with the mistakes of the youngsters in the side.

Thank you. Long term I worry more about Everitt's reaction than the mistake as he was really upset about giving away the goal. On the other hand, our Mr Shaw, for example, seems impervious to his errors. He might beat himself up later but he just gets on with it during the game. You'd think that'd be necessary for a long term AFL career, a la Bevo, etc. Maybe Intzy needs to borrow some extra layers of hide from his brother?

[liz]

Thank you. Long term I worry more about Everitt's reaction than the mistake as he was really upset about giving away the goal. On the other hand, our Mr Shaw, for example, seems impervious to his errors. He might beat himself up later but he just gets on with it during the game. You'd think that'd be necessary for a long term AFL career, a la Bevo, etc. Maybe Intzy needs to borrow some extra layers of hide from his brother?

Might take a little time for the "Eade factor" to wear off.

[ernie koala]

Might take a little time for the "Eade factor" to wear off.

Spot on, Eade had all our youngsters jumping at shadows in 02. Then 18 months later they played a home prelim, with all those same youngsters playing with belief.
Give him time.
He's a Half forward flank for mine, at least until he gets that belief.

[GoRhino]

Does some nice things but then undoes any good work by some horrible clangers. No intensity or mongrel to his game whatsoever, is hopeless deep in defence and cant be relied upon to beat his man in a contested situation.

Guys, you can quote all the stats you like and make excuses. As was witnessed by a number of "R & W" scribes, his body language was like a 5 year old that had just been spanked. He needs to focus and do it quickly. Having said that, we weren't far off the mark and just wasted too many oportunities against a more highly skilled side. We can't change the cattle now.

[caj23]

Poor little Andrejas has a low self esteem, keep playing him in the seniors regardless of his form. How come Jessie or Bevo (or Vez!) don't get the same leeway?

He's been given a full run in the pre-season and the first 4 games of the season and one quarter aside he has shown very little to suggest he is in our best 22. I'd be happy to see him have a run up forward as he is a liability down back, but I suspect that Longmire and co don't see things this way. If he doesnt show anything against the Blues, then I dont think we can afford to carry him in the seniors any longer.

It reminds me a bit of 2006 when Teddy was given a gold pass for the season despite some very ordinary form which had me pulling my hair out. Fortunately he saved his best for the last game of the season and has developed into a reliable defender since then

[Auntie.Gerald]

Number 13
Height 194cm
Weight 89kg
DOB 13-03-1989
Debut 2007
Games Goals
2012 12 2012 9
Career 59 Career 25

For me Andrejs will only get better

what better equals is arguable for sure

Would it be fair to say that Andrejs is no further behind Ted at the same age ?

Would it be fair to say that Andrejs could easily move towards a key role upfront or down back over the next couple of seasons?

Ted is only 3kg heavier and 1cm shorter but 6yrs older and Ted only got it together the last few yrs