Is Horse impressing anyone?

[Cheer Squad]

4 wins. 3 losses to probable top 4 teams. Blooding of 5 youngsters with a view to the future. A side that is clearly in the development stage and apart from the 2nd half against the Hawks has been playing passioned footy.

Yep clearly doing a crap job.

"If Malthouse was willing to come to Sydney I'd move heaven and earth to get him."

Your words from the "Longmire: Good or Bad?" thread started 29th April 2011.

You'd keep Longmire then, if Malthouse was available?

[Big Al]

"If Malthouse was willing to come to Sydney I'd move heaven and earth to get him."

Your words from the "Longmire: Good or Bad?" thread started 29th April 2011.

You'd keep Longmire then, if Malthouse was available?

What's the title of this thread???

I was addressing the performance of Horse in 8 games which has nothing to do with what I said previously. Whether Horse is doing a good job or not, if the best coach in the game wants to come, I'd want him here.

[Cheer Squad]

What's the title of this thread???

I was addressing the performance of Horse in 8 games which has nothing to do with what I said previously. Whether Horse is doing a good job or not, if the best coach in the game wants to come, I'd want him here.

Temper, temper!

[Big Al]

Temper, temper!

Firstly you take my quote and use it in the wrong context and then you misread my mood....

0/2 Cheer Squad.

[aardvark]

You'd keep Longmire then, if Malthouse was available?

Yep...we could use a good forwards coach.....oops.....

[Jewels]

The horse has a clear bias with the players and it shows at the selection table, how Jetta is getting a game before TDL on current form staggers me!

I am no Jetta fan and I agree with wondering how he is still getting a game, but to say he is biased is absolute crap!

4 wins. 3 losses to probable top 4 teams. Blooding of 5 youngsters with a view to the future. A side that is clearly in the development stage and apart from the 2nd half against the Hawks has been playing passioned footy.

Yep clearly doing a crap job.

Thank you Al, some logic in the @@@@e that is this thread!

Temper, temper!

You are unbelievable!!!
You continually malign the team, the club, the coach, in fact anybody with anything to do with the Swans. Have you EVER written or even thought a positive thought about the team?
If you are what makes up the Sydney based cheer squad than no wonder the Melbourne based one is so far superior.

[jono2707]

This thread isn't impressing me....

[Snake]

You want to straight swap a winger for a lead up medium forward?

Your meaning a winger that gets pushed of the ball deadset easy and doesn't believe in hardball gets.......... SO yes.

[Hartijon]

Its really not us that matter. Its whether he is impressing ,in all senses of that word, the players. If the players respect and follow his instructions and play to his plan who cares if he impresses us or not. Personally I am reserving judgement.I see good trends and believe he has been unlucky with injuries which have influenced the sub and the ruck and forward structure. The enigma that is White has also not helped the coach, nor has Bradshaws injury. Change any of these and this thread would not exist. Yeah,I will give him a year to see how he goes! Keep the jab going Big Al!

[Dosser]

Its really not us that matter. Its whether he is impressing ,in all senses of that word, the players. If the players respect and follow his instructions and play to his plan who cares if he impresses us or not. Personally I am reserving judgement.I see good trends and believe he has been unlucky with injuries which have influenced the sub and the ruck and forward structure. The enigma that is White has also not helped the coach, nor has Bradshaws injury. Change any of these and this thread would not exist. Yeah,I will give him a year to see how he goes! Keep the jab going Big Al!

+1

[chammond]

Before I get shouted down, I know it's early days and I know he's not the only one making decisions. But he is the head coach and enough water has gone under the bridge to cast an eye over his impact so far.
What I don't like:
1) The way he has handled Mummy...he came off a limited pre season, after finishing last year with 2 bung knees, and was thrown straight in and required to run out games as the number 1 ruckman. Then when his backup Pyke went down, instead of bringing in the player they recruited as their number 1 ruckmen, Seaby, he brought in an underdone LRT, a deadest defender, and ask him to play backup ruckman/ forward. He's a pinch hitter in the ruck even when fully match fit. Thus leaving Mumford with an even bigger work load. Surprise , surprise, he's got a sore knee, which sounds like the injury from last year flaring up...that's never a good sign long term. Terrible player management.
2) Playing Everitt in defence for 5 or 6 games when his only decent quarter of footy was as a forward.
3) Playing Bevo in defence. We all know what happens when Bevo plays in the backline, so do our opponents.
4) Appointing McVeigh as co captain, a most uninspiring choice, which so far is looking like a stuff up that's going to be hard, if not impossible, to reverse with out having a negative effect on the team.
5) Not letting White settle into one position as a key forward, (or IMO as a key defender) and continuing to play him in the ruck, where he performs like a blind chicken. You could see him loosing confidence with every spell in the ruck.
6) Game day tactics have been much more reactive than proactive.
One example.. Letting Scarlett run free for so long was unbelievable.
7) Sub selections, IMO only one has effectively helped the team in 8 or 9 games. But my biggest beef here is using a 1st gamer. Where the chance of them having a positive impact on the result is negligible. They need a full game to settle into the pace and intensity, and hopefully gain some confidence.
8) I'll add one more I overlooked, our complete lack of forward structure..It's been woeful, playing LRT forward, Mattner forward at times, what a joke while, while Seaby, White, Johnson, TDL all languish in the 2's...pushing at best coming from a headcoach who was a key forward...You don't win games if you don't kick goals.
I've approached this from a negative angle, obviously, and would like to hear some positives..

Most of this is just simplistic whinging . . . being wise after the event. But a couple of points are interesting: the ruck and forward issues are both worrying for different reasons.

Our forward group has been largely dysfunctional since round one. Our best forwards, Goodes, O'Keefe and McGlynn, are only part-timers, and the rest are novices. The only youngster that has shown any real improvement in the forward 50 is Everitt, and he's been dropped.

This forward problem was identified some time ago: Bradshaw and Dennis-Lane were recruited as a short-term fix, and Johnston, Rohan, Lamb, and Reid were drafted as the longer-term solution. Bradshaw and Dennis-Lane haven't yet fired a shot in anger, and the youngsters will obviously take more than 8 games to transform into match-winners. Surely, none of this can be laid solely at Longmire's feet. If we have to lay blame, it probably should go to Roos and his gang for poor planning?

The transformation of our rucking group from the strongest (as a whole) in the league to an unfit rabble is quite remarkable. Obviously the main contributor to this has been the "unknown" factor - the new substitution rule - and the resultant over-reaction regarding the use of ruckmen. Longmire is certainly culpable in that respect.

Overall, I think Longmire has performed okay. He took over a middle-of-the-road group of players, and the team is continuing in that vein. He's made the odd bad decision, but he's blooded some very exciting youngsters, and we're playing a more interesting style of footy this year. He doesn't have Roos' charisma, but I think he has just as much footy-smarts. As a player, Longmire was a top-class forward who occasionally helped out in the ruck, so he ought to have the knowledge to get us through these problems.

[Jewels]

Its really not us that matter. Its whether he is impressing ,in all senses of that word, the players. If the players respect and follow his instructions and play to his plan who cares if he impresses us or not. Personally I am reserving judgement.I see good trends and believe he has been unlucky with injuries which have influenced the sub and the ruck and forward structure. The enigma that is White has also not helped the coach, nor has Bradshaws injury. Change any of these and this thread would not exist. Yeah,I will give him a year to see how he goes! Keep the jab going Big Al!

Well said.

[caj23]

Very underwhelmed with what we have seen so far, I expected a bloke who has been with us for 9 years to hit the ground running and IMO he hasn't. The team has gone backwards this year with a list that on paper is superior to 2010.

The main positive (and change from Roos) I can see is in terms of the blooding of youngsters and our defence has been good considering how dire our midfield has been

The negatives include lack of any clear gameplan, disfunctional forward line (what's new though?), puzzling team selections, clueless on the sub rule, dual captains (just pick one ffs), ruck set up and selections, match day tactics, and our inability to win games by more than 2 goals (again not a new problem).

The whole selection process (i.e. what process?) was deeply flawed and we are seeing the results of it now.

[ernie koala]

Most of this is just simplistic whinging . . . being wise after the event. But a couple of points are interesting: the ruck and forward issues are both worrying for different reasons.

Our forward group has been largely dysfunctional since round one. Our best forwards, Goodes, O'Keefe and McGlynn, are only part-timers, and the rest are novices. The only youngster that has shown any real improvement in the forward 50 is Everitt, and he's been dropped.

This forward problem was identified some time ago: Bradshaw and Dennis-Lane were recruited as a short-term fix, and Johnston, Rohan, Lamb, and Reid were drafted as the longer-term solution. Bradshaw and Dennis-Lane haven't yet fired a shot in anger, and the youngsters will obviously take more than 8 games to transform into match-winners. Surely, none of this can be laid solely at Longmire's feet. If we have to lay blame, it probably should go to Roos and his gang for poor planning?

The transformation of our rucking group from the strongest (as a whole) in the league to an unfit rabble is quite remarkable. Obviously the main contributor to this has been the "unknown" factor - the new substitution rule - and the resultant over-reaction regarding the use of ruckmen. Longmire is certainly culpable in that respect.

Overall, I think Longmire has performed okay. He took over a middle-of-the-road group of players, and the team is continuing in that vein. He's made the odd bad decision, but he's blooded some very exciting youngsters, and we're playing a more interesting style of footy this year. He doesn't have Roos' charisma, but I think he has just as much footy-smarts. As a player, Longmire was a top-class forward who occasionally helped out in the ruck, so he ought to have the knowledge to get us through these problems.

Oh I see, when I make comments they're just.." simplistic whinging ", please tell me where and why and then perhaps we can engage in a discussion...the whole point of the web site...
As for your comment..."being wise after the event", what, as opposed to your comments ?? Of course if I could find my crystal ball I could of discussed Horses coaching from R10 and beyond. Pathetic comment.

[Mr Magoo]

My view is that the 2nd /third and fourth year players have not come on yet as expected which therefore has made us more reliant on newer players like Reid , Johnstone , Johnson. If White, Bird, Hannebery, TDL etc had gone to another level many of our problems would be solved. They havent so we struggle at clearances and in the forward line where those guys play.