Mega merged trading thread

[Melbournehammer]

Our needs start with a big physical full forward who can offer a real target/ contest.
White has failed to produce and should go.
Brian Lake could do this role and should be looked at, IMO.

jesse offers far more than brian lake who at his best was a good back man and contested mark. but unless he has had a major attitude change there is no way that we would be recruiting him. unless we are going to play two rucks jesse is our best pinch-hitting ruck and forward.

really dominant full forwards don't grow on trees. there are next to none in the league at the moment with the exception of buddy, cloke and the west coast players. there are many many clubs with similar situations to our own with players who might be really good one week in 5-6 - tippett, walker, clarke, kosi, west off, the melbourne forwards,

and the sides that do have the next tier - the petries, the riewoldts etc are simply not going to let them go.

we simply have to work with what we have but actually make it work - lead away from the ball occasionally, stop having to look at pack marks all the time. and that actually comes back to the midfield - unless we start to generate players who can run the lines so that we can actually spot up targets, we will be stuck with the same game plan to the long kick to centre wing and hope to win the ball from the stoppage to create the next one 40 metres down the line.

[sprite]

Would have to say that next year Mattner will probably see less game time, should be used as back up player now - whilst working with kids in ressies.

Cannot see many if any delistings.

Seaby may be worth something on the trade table, but I would prefer to keep him.

With Jesse - I say give him a run on the ball as a ruck rover (ala Goodes )

[707]

+1

Ruckmen should collectively sue the AFL for discrimination. Four on the bench plus a sub would at least give second ruckmen some hope. Only problem is that represents an extra 18 players across the league, when two new clubs will have come on board in two seasons. Where all these extra players will come from is a problem.

The extra players are already there, it's the twenty or so ruckmen that are good enough but can't get a gig in the firsts because of the stupid sub rule!

[Swansinger]

Hopefully they will ditch the absurd sub rule and Pyke /Seaby will have a role next year.

That rule has kept Jesse White in the team.
So , yeah - get rid of the rule !

[Swansinger]

Jesse White has to go!

Scott said he is under-rated , So if North want him , they can have him.
To the folks making out a case for Jesse - wake up - he is not good enough.

[Cardinal]

I'm going to blow this place sky high - you heard it here first:

Jetta to Freo...........
Two subs as of next year..........

[Matt79]

I'm going to blow this place sky high - you heard it here first:

Jetta to Freo...........
Two subs as of next year..........

Didnt he sign a new 2 year contract this year?

[happy]

.. also in other improbable breaking news David Beckham to come out of retirement, switch codes and play FF for the swans ...

also Easter bunny for sub

[ugg]

Lindsay Gilbee and Josh Hill according to the SMH.

[ernie koala]

jesse offers far more than brian lake who at his best was a good back man and contested mark. but unless he has had a major attitude change there is no way that we would be recruiting him. unless we are going to play two rucks jesse is our best pinch-hitting ruck and forward.

really dominant full forwards don't grow on trees. there are next to none in the league at the moment with the exception of buddy, cloke and the west coast players. there are many many clubs with similar situations to our own with players who might be really good one week in 5-6 - tippett, walker, clarke, kosi, west off, the melbourne forwards,

Firstly : Lake has, and can, play FF well. Spent most of his junior days as a forward.
He is an excellent mark, reads the play and flight of the ball as well as anyone, and is a pretty good kick for goal.
Secondly : From what I've read this season, his form, or lack there of, is more to do with poor player/ injury management by the dogs, than Lakes attitude.
('The Eade factor', remember how Goodes and Kirk, to name 2, were travelling in 2002, then think about how they travelled in 2003).
Don't forget Lake was an All Australian the year before, and you don't get there with a bad attitude.
Third : The forwards you've named as being inconsistent nearly all played for inconsistent/ lousy teams...
The point you've inadvertently made is, that there are plenty of forwards with potential, presently playing for ordinary teams.

[aardvark]

Chris Dawes still hasn't signed with the maggies.......anyone interested???

[ScottH]

Chris Dawes still hasn't signed with the maggies.......anyone interested???

Yesterdays paper suggested he might be a good option for the Swans.

[aardvark]

Yesterdays paper suggested he might be a good option for the Swans.

Yep I'm keen. Lets throw some money at him !!

[DLBIA14]

Chris Dawes would be great (though I don't know how we'd be able to adequately compensate the pies...) and so would Brent Macaffer. His trade price wouldn't be too high and he would surely be seeking some opportunities to regularly play in a starting side.

[Melbournehammer]

Firstly : Lake has, and can, play FF well. Spent most of his junior days as a forward.
He is an excellent mark, reads the play and flight of the ball as well as anyone, and is a pretty good kick for goal.
Secondly : From what I've read this season, his form, or lack there of, is more to do with poor player/ injury management by the dogs, than Lakes attitude.
('The Eade factor', remember how Goodes and Kirk, to name 2, were travelling in 2002, then think about how they travelled in 2003).
Don't forget Lake was an All Australian the year before, and you don't get there with a bad attitude.
Third : The forwards you've named as being inconsistent nearly all played for inconsistent/ lousy teams...
The point you've inadvertently made is, that there are plenty of forwards with potential, presently playing for ordinary teams.

actually the point I've advertently made is that good teams make good forwards and poor teams make poor forwards. and middle teams which i have to say is where we are have middling forwards. the reality is that it is the strength of your midfield which determines how well you play as a forward. and our midfield when we play the better teams is frequently slow and second to the ball because we condition our players to stop their opponents from getting it first, and play accountable team based footy. very few of our midfield players over the past decade have had brilliant skills or n ability to hit players lace out. most of our best passers have been the hffs schneider, buchanan, mcveigh when he plays forward, rok, or our hbfs such as mattner, mal, tadhg, shaw and our forward fiftys have been dominated by goodes.

i guess the point i have been trying to make is that white gets blamed because our side simply kicks high up and unders into the fifty, and it really doesn't matter who you put there for the majority of those kicks (cf friday night for the classic example of it) are simply rubbish kicks. and that is the case for most mid table to lower table teams.

roos has been simply scathing of lake on the couch this year - who knows maybe he was playing a double bluff to get him cheap but the way he was talking was not in my mind suggesting that he was a player roos would want at the swans. and long mire doesn't fall very far from the roos tree if you ask me.