Giants fans will outnumber Swans fans

[Wazza]

But we can afford to allow them to buy GWS memberships! Flawed logic is flawed!

Must be a Sydney thing because i really can't understand why that GWS membership cant be another swans membership instead!

Logic is simple and sound, IF GWS are successfull AFL in NSW will grow and become even more successfull, this will equate to greater resources and access to elite programs for NSW juniors. You must know if you are involved at Junior level how hard it is for clubs to maintain numbers above u/14 level, Ive coached u/16 and u/18 and I know how hard it is to find then keep juniors.

I luv Swannies but for the health and continue sustained growth of the game in NSW GWS must succeed, the game must grow, so the game can grow or something like that

I dont think its fair of you to take pot shots at RWOers who understand and believe this is what will help the game grow in NSW. It will not grow at the same rate or intensity if we rely on the Swans solely and make no mistake the AFL needs the game to be successful in NSW for future television rights and sponsorships.

Sorry not trying to have a huge dig at you but there are many here who hold the interest and growth of AFL in NSW particulary juniors as a High priority.

Cheers

Waz

[WeHaveTheGoodes]

This is an interesting thread, with many bizarre and varied points of view. However, it is distracting us from the real discussion: How many records we can break with a big win over GWS on Saturday!

I am a bit cynical about the game. I really think we will win by a few goals. Unlike the GC, GWS need a good showing in the first game and a defeat by more than 10 goals will not please the fat control at all. So don't be surprised by a lot of questionable frees given by GWS in front of goal to reduce the final margin.

I am expecting the final result to be 10 goals plus..by the cynic in me says otherwise.

[WeHaveTheGoodes]

No they're not and if you understood the Sydney market you would realise this. You do realise who the enemy of the AFL in Sydney is don't you and why the AFL put a team out west where there is 2 million people and a lot of corporate dollars to go around??

The biggest enemy in Sydney are sydneysiders themselves who only turn up in big numbers when they feel like it.

Not the other codes. I support the storm and NRL and have nothing against it unlike a lot of my fellow afl fans.

[Dosser]

But we can afford to allow them to buy GWS memberships! Flawed logic is flawed!

Must be a Sydney thing because i really can't understand why that GWS membership cant be another swans membership instead!

No, it's not just a Sydney thing. Something similar happened here in Melbourne a couple of years ago when it looked like Norf was going down the tubes. I know of MANY die-hard opposition supporters here who took out a Norf membership for the season - not because they had become Norf supporters, but because they wanted to see the club and the competition remain as is. Just because they had dual memberships for the year didnt mean they supported their own team any less, but simply that they appreciated that Norf needed to be there as well (probably so that they can continue to belt them on match day). Yes, this skewed membership stats for the year, but it also helped a struggling club keep going.

I see this as similar to what is happening in Sydney. I love my Swans and once upon a time was asked to train with them, so I am passionate. However, I would seriously consider a GWS membership - just for the first year - to help them get up and running. I want to hate them passionately in 10 years time, but I cant do that if they struggle now and are eventually given up by the AFL as a failed experiment.

Guys, we need to keep passionate about the Swans and never let that die, but also give a helping hand - for a limited time! - to GWS to get established.

[desredandwhite]

Des, I am also interested to hear what people would think is a 'good enough' win? I suspect a win by 4 goals or less will still be disappointing in many people's eyes. Personally I hope for a minimum 10 goal win.

Swans by 75!

Matt - are we a 2-3 goal a quarter better side than them? Absolutely. 10 goals should be minimum, however I think it is also equally likely that we will pile on a heap of goals in the first half and then cruise to a comfortable 30-40 point win. I want us to set records, but I also know our recent history with putting the opposition to the sword...

[WeHaveTheGoodes]

No, it's not just a Sydney thing. Something similar happened here in Melbourne a couple of years ago when it looked like Norf was going down the tubes. I know of MANY die-hard opposition supporters here who took out a Norf membership for the season - not because they had become Norf supporters, but because they wanted to see the club and the competition remain as is. Just because they had dual memberships for the year didnt mean they supported their own team any less, but simply that they appreciated that Norf needed to be there as well (probably so that they can continue to belt them on match day). Yes, this skewed membership stats for the year, but it also helped a struggling club keep going.

I see this as similar to what is happening in Sydney. I love my Swans and once upon a time was asked to train with them, so I am passionate. However, I would seriously consider a GWS membership - just for the first year - to help them get up and running. I want to hate them passionately in 10 years time, but I cant do that if they struggle now and are eventually given up by the AFL as a failed experiment.

Guys, we need to keep passionate about the Swans and never let that die, but also give a helping hand - for a limited time! - to GWS to get established.

And how did that go? The next year the roos where back to square one because those sympathy memberships were dropped!

The GWS don't need a hand! They will be propped up..i don't know why so many of you fail to understand this!

[Wazza]

Matt - are we a 2-3 goal a quarter better side than them? Absolutely. 10 goals should be minimum, however I think it is also equally likely that we will pile on a heap of goals in the first half and then cruise to a comfortable 30-40 point win. I want us to set records, but I also know our recent history with putting the opposition to the sword...

It will be intersting to see how we approach the game, are we going out to put them to the sword or will we use the game to experiment with our structures. Im not sure but I would think a 20 - 30 point win for 1st game of the season would be a resonable result?

Cheers

waz

[liz]

This thread is veering a little too close to the line between what is acceptable and not on RWO. Argue your points passionately, by all means, but please stay away from making it personal, or throwing around the insults. Remember that while you may not agree with someone else's stance (and can post to that effect), you should either a) respect their right to hold their opinion; or b) shut up about it.

I am going to close this thread for an hour or so's "cooling down period". I'll re-open it when I get back from lunch so that the conversation about the upcoming game (minus the personally-directed remarks)

[liz]

Thread is now open again for (civil) discussion.

I have deleted any post that had even the merest bit of baiting or sniping at other RWO members. A couple of posts were OK in parts but I couldn't be bothered after a while sorting out the bits that were OK from those that weren't.

I have also deleted any post that quoted a post I had deleted or significantly edited, even if the response was OK. In those instances I have indicated that the reason the post was deleted was due to the quoted post it was responding to, not because there was anything wrong with the post itself. Where the response made sense without the quoted part, I left it. Where it became redundant once the quoted post was deleted, I figured it best just to delete.

If I (or any of the other mods) have to delete or edit any more posts in this thread, infractions will be dished out. Please consider yourselves all warned. We love the passion, whether that is for or against GWS, dual membership, hats, scarves or anything else touched upon in the thread. But baiting of, or insults aimed at, other RWO members will not be tolerated.

[Melbourne_Blood]

I would be seriously dissapointed with anything less than a 10 goal win, and slighlty dissapointed with anything less than 14-15. Its a great oppurtunity to start the year off with a siginifcant % advantage, and if we let it slip it could have serious ramifications for where we finish on the ladder. Realistically,100+ points should be what we aim to win by. I guarantee other teams, some probably around or even below our level, will beat them by this margin or more this year. So thats exactly what we should be doing. Particularly when their missing Some senior players.

[royboy42]

I agree Liz.This has become almost unpleasant to follow. Normal conventions should apply here.

Our new contributor is obviously a ferocious supporter,but I personally would prefer that personal comments,whether directed at RWOers, or other footy people be eliminated from his/her posts.This is a rational forum for the most part.

There are other places which probably welcome more radical approaches.

[Primmy]

Its a game of footy! First for the season! We have waited six months! Who cares who we play!!!! Its FOOTY! ROUND ONE. The beginning of possibilities.....got my coffee, got my cake, got my scarf, hat, keyring, membership, Park in A1, salad, sweeties, cushion, and binoculars. And i have my awaygame ticket!

That's all that really matters isn't it>?

[desredandwhite]

Oh, Liz. I would have just let it die

The time for talk is almost over.

FWIW, while I wish the Giants all the best, and want them to succeed for the good of the game, I also want to smash them by 200 points every time we meet them.

Let it be so.

[CJK]

I'd forgotten how much they love to delete posts here, it's all very Winston Smith.

Anyway I'm out of this thread, enjoy the game whomever is going.

[Big Al]

Its a game of footy! First for the season! We have waited six months! Who cares who we play!!!! Its FOOTY! ROUND ONE. The beginning of possibilities.....got my coffee, got my cake, got my scarf, hat, keyring, membership, Park in A1, salad, sweeties, cushion, and binoculars. And i have my awaygame ticket!

That's all that really matters isn't it>?

Absolutely Primms... No way known should any of us let the disrespect shown by some take away the joy that is footy for us.

Bring it on.