Hope not.....

[Big Al]

Re: Hope not.....

It couldn't possibly be innuendo...if they don't have concrete to back this up they are all Dodo meat, professionally....so if they say "whole teams were doped" then they have concrete evidence of this.

The reason for not giving any specifics is that they want other people to come forward on the promise of decreased penalty.

All the while the reputation of Australian sport goes through the meat grinder.

[sharp9]

All the while the reputation of Australian sport goes through the meat grinder.

The implication from ACC, Government and the Governing Bodies is that the reputation of Australian Sport SHOULD go through the meat grinder.

[Reggi]

The implication from ACC, Government and the Governing Bodies is that the reputation of Australian Sport SHOULD go through the meat grinder.

Except there is nothing but innuendo at this stage. What facts?

[liz]

The reason for not giving any specifics is that they want other people to come forward on the promise of decreased penalty.

But why would they be interested in giving offenders decreased penalties unless they require information before they can implicate anyone?

[Big Al]

Re: Hope not.....

Can you imagine if say instead sports stars this Govt agency said that Indigenous people were all on drugs and then offered no proof of such a claim. #can #worms #open

[Zlatorog]

But why would they be interested in giving offenders decreased penalties unless they require information before they can implicate anyone?

I think they want their (players', officials', etc.) confessions fast before it is dragged through the judicial system. It is quite possible that they know who and what, but maybe want them to come forward to speed up the process.
Just guessing here. AFL, NRL, etc. session is on the line. If they don't cooperate it might get worst, much worst. I don't know how much power the ministers have but would it be possible if they would delay or even stop H&A season from starting?

[sharp9]

BTW - sorry for using the W word about M Mc.....very crass of me. Just wanting to put some asterisks in but the last time I did that I got a formal warning for "avoiding the swear filter" and was told to swear away and "let the filter do its job" ....so, um yeah

[sharp9]

Except there is nothing but innuendo at this stage. What facts?

It isn't innuendo - it is a statement that they have evidence which they will reveal at the end of the investigation. Innuendo is when you cast aspersions (or nasturtions, as Kath would say) against someone based on a hunch - or when you deliberately try to make someone look bad, despite that fact that you have no actual evidence.

I appreciate your point that we haven't seen any facts, yet.....but surely you don't seriously think they are lying???? Which is what you are implying by the comment that it is innuendo with no "facts"


But while we're on innuendo....

We all thought it was innuendo when many people claimed that Buddy missed 6 weeks with a hammy strain because of "mental" health issues or drugs...or both.

We thought such a thing was preposterous....

But this week Vlad says players "HAVE" been removed from playing during the season because they were unavailable to take the illicit drug test (because they were in rehab).

Maybe those people actually had the facts about Buddy. My feeling is that we should pay, much CLOSER attention to innuendo

"Goddard's leaving the Saints.....Scully's taking the money....Tippett has a signed gentleman's agreement" OH IT'S ALL INNUENDO, WHERE ARE THE FACTS??

How many people had a go at Caroline Wilson and she was RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT in about April last year. I think even Grant Thomas apologised.

I'm struggling to think of ANY issue over the 20 years I've been watching footy which has turned out to be less serious than was "innuendoed"

Carlton brown paper bags, tanking, West Coast drugs, Bock and his Missus, Carey and his "ladyfriends" and his skipper's missus...etc, etc, etc...

Yet at every turn Reggi types will attempt to smear Dale Lewis, Aker, Reimers and others when they are brave enough to speak up against the Bully-Boys

[sharp9]

But why would they be interested in giving offenders decreased penalties unless they require information before they can implicate anyone?

So they can get more....or do it more quickly.

[Swansongster]

It isn't innuendo - it is a statement that they have evidence which they will reveal at the end of the investigation. Innuendo is when you cast aspersions (or nasturtions, as Kath would say) against someone based on a hunch - or when you deliberately try to make someone look bad, despite that fact that you have no actual evidence.

I appreciate your point that we haven't seen any facts, yet.....but surely you don't seriously think they are lying???? Which is what you are implying by the comment that it is innuendo with no "facts"


But while we're on innuendo....

We all thought it was innuendo when many people claimed that Buddy missed 6 weeks with a hammy strain because of "mental" health issues or drugs...or both.

We thought such a thing was preposterous....

But this week Vlad says players "HAVE" been removed from playing during the season because they were unavailable to take the illicit drug test (because they were in rehab).

Maybe those people actually had the facts about Buddy. My feeling is that we should pay, much CLOSER attention to innuendo

"Goddard's leaving the Saints.....Scully's taking the money....Tippett has a signed gentleman's agreement" OH IT'S ALL INNUENDO, WHERE ARE THE FACTS??

How many people had a go at Caroline Wilson and she was RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT in about April last year. I think even Grant Thomas apologised.

I'm struggling to think of ANY issue over the 20 years I've been watching footy which has turned out to be less serious than was "innuendoed"

Carlton brown paper bags, tanking, West Coast drugs, Bock and his Missus, Carey and his "ladyfriends" and his skipper's missus...etc, etc, etc...

Yet at every turn Reggi types will attempt to smear Dale Lewis, Aker, Reimers and others when they are brave enough to speak up against the Bully-Boys

This. Where there's smoke there is fire. Essendon are in it deep. Watson will lose his Brownlow. Perhaps a dozen players will be suspended for a long time. The worms are everywhere. Either that or a collossal cover-up is in the planning stages.

[Go Swannies]

In a very strange piece in the Telegraph, Rebecca Wilson called the whole thing a "charade" but said:

"From the outset, let me say that there is no doubt a systemic and endemic doping problem at a few AFL and rugby league clubs.Rumours have swirled for three seasons around several high profile clubs and this week we saw Essendon in total damage control as a result of the doping accusations levelled against their entire player group.The sports scientist at the centre of the accusations has gone into hiding and his fitness co-ordinator has been stood down as a result of the controversy.There remains a chance that at least half of the playing group may be suspended for several seasons as a result.One elite sports club was raided at the behest of the Crime Commission and I'm told the head coach is still bragging about the locked drawer they failed to open in his office. The allegation is that it was full of illegal substances ready for injection."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/the-biggest-charade-in-australian-sporting-history/story-e6frexnr-1226573881154

I'd just like the clean clubs to be acknowledged as clean. That could be done by a general statement like "This is widespread but not endemic. For example we have no reason to investigate further against clubs x, y and z. There are some other clubs where we think the transgressions are only minor". We know some clubs are definitely in trouble - but not if there are some that aren't. Right now we don't know if any of our players are tainted, as much as we expect (and hope) they are not.

[dimelb]

All very confusing. I thought innuendo was Italian for suppository.

[R-1]

I don't buy it for a second

If there are facts put them out there or say nothing

At the moment it is just grandstanding I gather Roosy has made similar comments

Coercive powers | Australian Crime Commission.

Also, there are strict provisions governing how the ACC may make use of any information gathered through the use of coercive powers. These provisions provide protection to people and organisations involved. In addition, examinations are conducted in private to:

• protect the integrity of the special ACC operation or investigation
• preserve the safety or reputation of a person or entity affected by the operation or investigation
• guard against the risk of prejudice to the fair trial of a person who has been or may be charged with an offence.

[Hartijon]

All very confusing. I thought innuendo was Italian for suppository.

Now that is hilarious! LMAO!

[justabaraker]

""According to sources close to the investigation, players were tricked into taking so called "supplements", only to be later told that they had in fact taken banned substances.

The players were then later called upon and threatened with being "outed" as drug cheats unless they agreed to fix matches or pay money. According to sources, several players had fallen victim to the bribery racket and were mostly confined to the NRL and not other codes.""

Here is a little bit of better news this morning from the NewsLtd website. In a situation like this, any little bit of better news is welcome isn't it ?