Rnd 8 Vs Freo

[Melbournehammer]

[QUOTE=Swans500;611313]

i think they outplayed us for much of the game.

Excuse me , but we kept them goalless for more than 2 quarters?! That don't happen every day?!.....

They didnt kick goals, rather than we kept hem goalless. Have a look at the number of scoring shots they had as opposed to the number we had.

[Legs Akimbo]

Are they easing Reid in the CHB position? This week and last week he played time there at crucial points in the game and we looked better for it. I think Sam will take a similar path to his brother. Tippet is very much the great white hope at the moment.

A couple of observations

1. They looked totally spent in the last quarter. Parker in particular looked gone.
2. Bird looks overweight and needs to work on his kicking or use his hands more
3. Thank goodness for Jude
4. Goodes is much more damaging in the midfield pushing forward.
5. Defense held up well, all things considered. Rampe has much potential but needs to learn when to commit and when to do the sheep dog thing (he kept his feet this week)
6. Heck we miss Shaw and AJ. Sniffle.
7. Ben McGlynn may show great desperation and have some sort of moral imperative to be out there, but he just sprays them too often
8. What is wrong with Mitch Morton?
9. I like Mike Pyke. Thought Jack was good McVeigh. Mummy needs a spell. I think the new ruck rules have killed him.

Frustrating and ugly game of footy. Draws are always frustrating but three quarters through the first quarter and I thought we were dead. They were the better side all night and just could get it between the big sticks.

[Scottee]

Seems that the "Bloods Spirit" got on a plane and went to Fremantle.

[Hartijon]

Credit to the dockers. We turned off.

Good on the full forward for taking a fullback's mark.

......and didn't Reid look good in the backlines and with a license to travel! Leave Pyky at CHF until Tippet comes ,Reid to the backlines to take more game saving marks and find a support ruckman for The Mummy. That last one is the hardest!

[Swansinger]

"Sam Reid - you STAR ! "

[alt_mattr]

......and didn't Reid look good in the backlines and with a license to travel! Leave Pyky at CHF until Tippet comes ,Reid to the backlines to take more game saving marks and find a support ruckman for The Mummy. That last one is the hardest!

Dare I say it... White?

But seriously, all this comes together perfectly when Tippet arrives. I am actually really angry at the AFL for the extent of his punishment. You can break a guy's leg and get nothing but don't dare mess with the AFL bean-counters - that's really serious business apparently.

[ScottH]

Seems that the "Bloods Spirit" got on a plane and went to Fremantle.

Ouch

[Scottee]

Dare I say it... White?

But seriously, all this comes together perfectly when Tippet arrives. I am actually really angry at the AFL for the extent of his punishment. You can break a guy's leg and get nothing but don't dare mess with the AFL bean-counters - that's really serious business apparently.

White was incredibly hard done by being dropped when you consider that Longmire went tall and his "replacement" was about as useless as the proverbial.(His stats were about the same as Pyke's apart from hitouts). His 10 goals 6 points in amongst his ruckwork speaks volumes for who is the best player in the reserves. Given the ability of the Hawks to kill us with more talls under the current ruck and marking rules we should be thinking about him as a permanent forward, at least until LRT is back in the side. Nobody would question finding a place for LRT, so it should be for White. He gives us structure and allows Goodes to float forward from the midfield.

It seems that on this board any mistake that Jesse makes is 10 times worse than a mistake by any other player. Reid is showing that he can be a tall midfielder, which is great especially with Tippet coming.That means we need a target who can crash packs, and he can crash packs.

The set against White that both supporters and Longmire irrational and lends support for the theory that Longmire picks on personality rather than performance.

A similar argument could apply to Morton being subbed after 9 possessions and 4 tackles whilst leaving TW on after only one kick which was a clanger and no tackles.

It is not adding up.

[liz]

White was good in the reserves yesterday, in the context of the match. No doubt about it. But there is every chance that Walsh would have kicked 10 himself had he been playing reserves and White seniors.

Everytime White gets a go in the senior team, we proclaim "this is is chance to show he really does have it" and then afterwards there is disappointment that he was mediocre - again. Walsh has made huge improvements in his game over the past year and the only way to find out if he can translate it into senior football is to give him a few games. Remember that this was just his 4th ever senior game, and playing in the Swans' forward line at the moment is one of the tougher roles going around.

[Scottee]

White was good in the reserves yesterday, in the context of the match. No doubt about it. But there is every chance that Walsh would have kicked 10 himself had he been playing reserves and White seniors.

Everytime White gets a go in the senior team, we proclaim "this is is chance to show he really does have it" and then afterwards there is disappointment that he was mediocre - again. Walsh has made huge improvements in his game over the past year and the only way to find out if he can translate it into senior football is to give him a few games. Remember that this was just his 4th ever senior game, and playing in the Swans' forward line at the moment is one of the tougher roles going around.

But Liz, is a tight game against quality opposition when we are out of form the time to do it? Also, even when he plays OK he gets dropped as in last years game against Freo where he was one of the better players. Never gets a chance to settle in. the other players never get a chance to feed off him. Seems to me that there is more of a perception issue about him than a proper analysis of his value to the team and that seems to based on a bias. Just my opinion but it appears that way to me.

BTW, Jesse was in the ruck half of the game yesterday so I would suggest that he is still ahead of Morton.

[Bloodthirsty]

There are the usual glass half full vs glass half empty perspectives of where we're at, and I have no doubt we'll get better. However, I can't say I'm not concerned. I just thought that from the position we were in in the last quarter, being the reigning premiers at home, we should have had the skill and professionalism to at least close out the game, even if it was at a diminished margin by the final siren. I agree with some posters that these are the games you gotta win, otherwise you have to jag tougher ones. I hope the Swans can jag one of the next 3, because I would imagine they'd be tougher than Fremantle.

WTF was that ROK free against? Sometimes I feel like it's a compulsary requirement for the umpires to gift momentum swings against Sydney (eg. Geelong match; Hawks match late last year). What do you do though....

[dimelb]

Yes, can someone explain what happened with the ROK free? I thought I heard a "Play on", but ROK looked totally bemused, and I suppose wanted to avoid a 50m. penalty, so just went along with it. But where did it come from?

[Jeffers1984]

Yes, can someone explain what happened with the ROK free? I thought I heard a "Play on", but ROK looked totally bemused, and I suppose wanted to avoid a 50m. penalty, so just went along with it. But where did it come from?

Did he get asked to play on after taking too much time?
My concern was that Fyfe was in the protected area when the ump called play on.
Anyways that decision gave Freo the momentum and from that point forward we were @@@@@@.

Plenty of concerns for the reigning premier. Gonna get ugly against the Pies this Friday night.

[liz]

But Liz, is a tight game against quality opposition when we are out of form the time to do it? Also, even when he plays OK he gets dropped as in last years game against Freo where he was one of the better players. Never gets a chance to settle in. the other players never get a chance to feed off him. Seems to me that there is more of a perception issue about him than a proper analysis of his value to the team and that seems to based on a bias. Just my opinion but it appears that way to me.

BTW, Jesse was in the ruck half of the game yesterday so I would suggest that he is still ahead of Morton.

On that basis, he didn't warrant a spot in the team yesterday either - a tight game against a good opponent.

White came in last week to replace Mummy - ie as a ruckman. He was always likely to make way once Mummy returned. Yes, there is an argument that Mummy might have been better not playing, as he doesn't look right, but that is a separate argument.

Jesse has been given strings of games in the past and has failed to impose himself. When you've been on the list for multiple seasons and played 50 odd senior games, you generally have to grab with both hands the odd chance that might still present itself. He wasn't dreadful last week, but he didn't do anything to suggest he was ready to turn his career around, either. Tough one one outing? Yes, but professional sport is tough.

Suggesting it was a mistake to play Walsh instead of Jesse on the back of Jesse's 10 goals ignores the opposition. Yes, Jesse played well and kicked straight. But you can hardly compare the quality of his opponents or the pressure on the midfield delivering the ball to him with that of Freo.

Everytime someone kicks a swagger of goals in the reserves, there is a clamour for them to come into the team, only for them to be lambasted when they don't deliver at senior level. Your post above does this to Morton, who has been a far most consistently potent forward weapon this year in the reserves than White has. And it is a productive forward we're after, not another ruckman (which is essentially the role Jesse has been playing, notwithstanding yesterday's game).

[Primmy]

Bugger. On many levels.