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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    Changes for Round 9 vs. Collingwood

    Out: Mummy (seems to need time to get right), Marty (depending on fitness, stays if OK)
    In: White (rotates between ruck and forward), Lamb (replacing Walsh who goes into defence)
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)
  • ugg
    Can you feel it?
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 15970

    #2
    Marty's already out, as in he wasn't in the team against Freo.
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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #3
      But Marty is already an out.

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      • Swans500
        Registered User
        • Jul 2007
        • 808

        #4
        Stick Sam at full back!!!!....

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        • Jeynez
          Warming the Bench
          • May 2013
          • 223

          #5
          Out:
          - Mummy: clearly not 100%. Should be rested for a bit, to allow him to hopefully return to his best for the second half of the season.

          - Walsh. I'd like for him to have another week, but I can't see that happening given that he did even less than White did the week prior.

          Bird: looks slow (even as the sub) and keeps turning the ball over by foot. With Mitchell getting better by the week in the Ressies, I think he'll eventually lose his spot to him

          In:
          - White: unfairly dropped last week, and I think he offers a little bit more than Mumford does at this stage

          Mattner: logical replacement if he's fit. Otherwise Armstrong

          Lamb: In the couple quarters he played I thought he was really good, deserves a full game

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          • dimelb
            pr. dim-melb; m not f
            • Jun 2003
            • 6889

            #6
            Marty's already out, as in he wasn't in the team against Freo.
            But Marty is already an out.
            Ah yes, mere details!
            To be replaced by Walsh - I think we need to work this bloke and make a decision for the future, and I agree with those who think he is more likely to have a future in defence than up forward, even if the coaches want to make him a swing player.
            Lamb to play a full game.
            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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            • barry
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 8499

              #7
              Reservers form against a very weak opposition means nothing. Absolutely nothing. White kicking 10 against Queenbean would require the same effort as kicking 1 against collingwood.

              Morton, Walsh and White are all of about the same level regarding our forward options.

              We need to select teams which represent our best long term advantage, irrespective of game to game reserves form. You'd have to think Morton has a proven record with his grand final efforts, and you'd perhaps think that getting White in as the pseudo-Tippet would allow us to adapt a game plan around a key forward, even if he cant execute the role to perfection.

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              • DeadlyAkkuret
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2006
                • 4547

                #8
                Walsh isn't even close to Morton's level. No way in hell would Morton have missed everything on Saturday night, for a start.

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                • Bloodthirsty
                  On the Rookie List
                  • May 2013
                  • 607

                  #9
                  Morton is miles ahead of Walsh and White. Morton's a natural who also has far more AFL experience, the other two are not. Just play Morton and leave him in the side.
                  "Take me down to the Paradise City where the grass is green and the Swans win pretty."

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #10
                    Collingwood's small forwards and midfielders are the danger. Although Cloke is a monster, they are not a tall team. Krakouer, Elliot, Dwyer, Blair will be difficult to cover with last weeks team.

                    Walsh out, Mattner in (Armstrong if Mattner not fit)

                    If Jolly is suspended, Mummy should go out for Armstrong or Lamb.

                    Play Jetta as a small forward and Benny in the midfield. Jetts needs to get himself away from the congestion and run into open spaces. We need a dangerous scoring threat again.

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                    • Melbournehammer
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2007
                      • 1815

                      #11
                      frustrating isnt it.

                      the truth is we are continually tinkering with that last position. maybe it is the game plan that is the problem if the cattle aren't right for the current game plan. I don't quite know what to do, and fortunately so because if i was asked i suspect id soon be out of a job. the long kicks are not working and we lack run from behind the ball which is a function of no shaw or mattner which reduces the running power by 2/3. mcveigh isnt the answer for the running and we are robbing peter by playing him too deep because he really is the only player that consistently lowers his eyes to find a target inside 50. but he does give us another player that can find a target coming out of defence.

                      i want to see morton and lamb starting and i am not opposed to everitt and white. if mattner is right i'd bring him in and if mummy is right - and i mean really right - id play him instead of jesse. the last place comes down to bird v everitt. tricky. I'd play everitt because i think he has more upside but the coaches would play bird because everitt has more downside. you know what you will get with bird.

                      so i guess for me it would be outs: walsh (mummy) (bird)
                      ins: lamb (white) (mattner)

                      more generally we need to consider goodes, bolton and rok - we need them to find form throughout a game and not for fifteen minutes each. i've been really disappointed in rok this year - not in the midfield where he has been fine, not brilliant, but fine but he was such an amazingly good hff and now he seems unable to take a mark forward of the ball. goodes always starts badly but i think hawthorn aside he is not bringing very much to the game and jude is really playing as a defensive forward now which means he has a lot of pressure on him.

                      apologies also to jpk - i thought it was his best game of the season on sat night and i forgot to give him votes in the tlm - if he loses it by less three it will have been my fault.

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                      • Cressakel2
                        Pushing for Selection
                        • May 2012
                        • 62

                        #12
                        It's time..............















                        To unleash Tommy Mitchell. End of story. It's time. Put him on the big stage. Bird for Mitchell.

                        Everitt for Mattner or Shaw. If both are available, I'd look at giving Rampe a spell.

                        Walsh to the backline. For some reason, I can see Walsh becoming our third tall defender - taking AJ's spot until he returns in 2014. That way LRT comes back as a switch hitter in the Ruck, backline and forward line.

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                        • Bloodthirsty
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2013
                          • 607

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Melbournehammer
                          frustrating isnt it.

                          the truth is we are continually tinkering with that last position. maybe it is the game plan that is the problem if the cattle aren't right for the current game plan. I don't quite know what to do, and fortunately so because if i was asked i suspect id soon be out of a job. the long kicks are not working and we lack run from behind the ball which is a function of no shaw or mattner which reduces the running power by 2/3. mcveigh isnt the answer for the running and we are robbing peter by playing him too deep because he really is the only player that consistently lowers his eyes to find a target inside 50. but he does give us another player that can find a target coming out of defence.

                          i want to see morton and lamb starting and i am not opposed to everitt and white. if mattner is right i'd bring him in and if mummy is right - and i mean really right - id play him instead of jesse. the last place comes down to bird v everitt. tricky. I'd play everitt because i think he has more upside but the coaches would play bird because everitt has more downside. you know what you will get with bird.

                          so i guess for me it would be outs: walsh (mummy) (bird)
                          ins: lamb (white) (mattner)

                          more generally we need to consider goodes, bolton and rok - we need them to find form throughout a game and not for fifteen minutes each. i've been really disappointed in rok this year - not in the midfield where he has been fine, not brilliant, but fine but he was such an amazingly good hff and now he seems unable to take a mark forward of the ball. goodes always starts badly but i think hawthorn aside he is not bringing very much to the game and jude is really playing as a defensive forward now which means he has a lot of pressure on him.

                          apologies also to jpk - i thought it was his best game of the season on sat night and i forgot to give him votes in the tlm - if he loses it by less three it will have been my fault.
                          +1 re team.

                          I also think that in general we're not playing like the reigning premiers (for whatever reason), and there's a big question mark surrounding if or when we will. I am relatively confident we will (with a bit of luck with injuries) be right for September, but if we don't make top 4, then it doesn't look good for the flag defence. It looks like at this stage that there's only really going to be 2 top 4 spots up for grabs, given how many wins the Hawks and Cats are stringing together. It's just not a nice feeling watching a team of such potential and feel that they look as helpless as a lowly side for large stretches of time. We need cohesion via a stable team (a big factor in last year's success), and a spark via the Bloods spirit with some guys stepping up. It can't just be Hannebery all the time.

                          I agree that at some point soon we need to blood Mitchell as sub.
                          "Take me down to the Paradise City where the grass is green and the Swans win pretty."

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                          • Matimbo
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 334

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            Collingwood's small forwards and midfielders are the danger. Although Cloke is a monster, they are not a tall team. Krakouer, Elliot, Dwyer, Blair will be difficult to cover with last weeks team.

                            Walsh out, Mattner in (Armstrong if Mattner not fit)

                            If Jolly is suspended, Mummy should go out for Armstrong or Lamb.

                            Play Jetta as a small forward and Benny in the midfield. Jetts needs to get himself away from the congestion and run into open spaces. We need a dangerous scoring threat again.
                            I'd still play Mummy unless he's injured. Agree that it's highly likely that Jolly will be gone for at least a week. I guess they will promote a reserve tall/ruck which should give Mummy/Pike the rucking advantage. We will need all the advantage we can get in the clearances. Their tall experienced fwds will be limited to Cloke and Lynch. Ted on Cloke, Pike/Reg rotating on Lynch plus if Marty (if fit) plays the floater role to help out with intercepts on each. On this basis, I'm optimistic we can limit their impact ... but only if we stop the flow of good delivery.

                            So obviously we need to match up their key 8 mids/small fwds ... Swan, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Ball (just back I know but looked OK), Krakouer, Elliot, Dwyer, Blair. We have enough good calibre players to match them ... Smith, ROK, Keiran, McVeigh, Josh K, Hanners, Jude, and Parker. Add to this Rampe and Nic Mal and Benny. This game looks well suited to Rampe with less height on their side. He could take Dwyer or Elliot. Plus Nic Mal on another. Armstrong to continue this theme as sub. Benny to rotate between fwd and midfield with Jude and ROK.

                            From the Pies perspective, they have to be worried about matching up Goodsey and Jetts who should play their recent roles rather than full time fwds. Then stick with Ried and Mitch as the key fwds. Out of Walsh and Everitt, I think I'd go with Everitt for his better kicking.

                            Concerned that Bird doesn't have the pace or current form to be in the mix for this game.

                            In: Mattner, Armstrong (sub)
                            Out: Walsh, Bird
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                            Policeman: "Yes, I was married once."

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                            • 0918330512
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 1654

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                              Walsh isn't even close to Morton's level. No way in hell would Morton have missed everything on Saturday night, for a start.
                              Do you mean his shot at goal or the ball with his foot after he marked?
                              Last edited by 0918330512; 20 May 2013, 03:23 PM.

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