A Giant Mummy?

[Cardinal]

All I know is that of all the Swans, Mummy was the one who appeared to enjoy the grand final win the most. Not sure what conclusions can br drawn from that.

[Blood_Br05]

Mummy's best is MUCH better than Pyke's best and that's why he would be first picked before Pyke.

BUT...

Pyke is more consistent than Mummy and is a better player when Mummy is in the side!

[Vonsteinman]

All I know is that of all the Swans, Mummy was the one who appeared to enjoy the grand final win the most. Not sure what conclusions can br drawn from that.

That he is more of a p!sshead than most?

[Ludwig]

Mummy's best is close to best in the league, but for various reasons he hasn't been able to produce that too often the last couple of years. His contract renewal may come down to a question of 'Value for Mummy ' .

Given the age of Ted and LRT and the way Grundy plays sometimes (like on the weekend for example), I think the biggest requirement for the Swans going forward is to find another quality young defender. This evaluation could change by September if the likes of Xav Richards, Alex Brown or Lockyer continue to improve.

So I think what happens with Mummy will probably have to wait until the end of the season to better assess our options.

[aardvark]

I really can't see Mummy going. Any club that's looked closely at his output the last 2 years is not likely to gamble on him staying fit. If they want to offer him big money to go then it's their mistake. I'd trade him for a first round pick in a minute.

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True, but Mumford gives us much more value around the grounds than Pyke does.

When he's fit maybe but look at the Stats this year Scott, Contested marks, Hitouts, Goals. No contest at the moment and Mummy's out for another 4-6.

[ScottH]

I really can't see Mummy going. Any club that's looked closely at his output the last 2 years is not likely to gamble on him staying fit. If they want to offer him big money to go then it's their mistake. I'd trade him for a first round pick in a minute.

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When he's fit maybe but look at the Stats this year Scott, Contested marks, Hitouts, Goals. No contest at the moment and Mummy's out for another 4-6.

Stat wise he is ahead, but Mumford still knows how to fill holes and run to the right places (even though they don't kick it to him), Pyke has improved dramatically, but is still a work in progress when it comes to some footy nous. Mumford is also much better at ground level.

And Stat wise, we win more when Mumford is playing.

Copied from the Carlton thread.

Mumford has played in 1 loss and 1 draw this year. All others are wins. Win rate 85%
We haven't lost a game with Everitt playing this year. Win rate of 93% (He played in the draw)

Last year it was the very similar.
Everitt had 83% win rate in 2012, only 2 losses from 12 games.
Mumford had 82% win rate in 2012, only 3 losses from 17 games.
The players that played every game last year had a win rate of 76%, 6 losses from 25 games.

Pyke's win rate this year is 71% (Which is the core group of players to play all games.)
Last year Pyke's win rate was 78%

[aardvark]

Stat wise he is ahead, but Mumford still knows how to fill holes and run to the right places (even though they don't kick it to him), Pyke has improved dramatically, but is still a work in progress when it comes to some footy nous. Mumford is also much better at ground level.

And Stat wise, we win more when Mumford is playing.

Copied from the Carlton thread.


Pyke's win rate this year is 71% (Which is the core group of players to play all games.)
Last year Pyke's win rate was 78%

Whats the winning % when they both play? I reckon they are worth more when they play together.

[ScottH]

Whats the winning % when they both play? I reckon they are worth more when they play together.

When both play:

12 wins out of 15 last year 80%.
8.5 wins from 10 games this year 85%

[Ratna]

I am not saying that a particular player can't make a significant difference to the output of a team, but judging players purely by the teams winning percent when they are in the team is crazy. There are just to many factors that may lead to a loss that can't be attributed to that individual. I think stats are better for assessing individual performance because they are more individual focussed but they still don't tell the whole story especially for ruckmen. Whoever is better we are very lucky to have Mummy and Myke (IMO Mummy is a better player when both are at their best) on our list.

If Mummy goes it would be disappointing but good luck to him. Despite the injuries he has had, he has given the club great service and the club may not be in a position to provide him the contract that he warrants into the future. If he leaves I hope that he considers in negotiations that the Swans provided him a great opportunity he wasn't getting elsewhere and while you would think he would have made it, who knows where he would be now if he didn't move north.

[rojo]

Mummy is 26, Pyke is 29. If we want KT to be our power forward we need to have Mummy doing his bash, crash thing. Latest media sentiment in Melbourne is that Buddy is going to GWS! Sounds good to me if it means they won't be able to afford to go after Mummy, except for 2 or 3 years down the track when we have to play GWS with Buddy, Patton, Cameron etc. etc.

[Chookbilly]

Maybe we can make a play for Daniel Currie?

[707]

Latest news is from Franklin's manager Liam Pickering who says he is very confident Franklin will stay at Hawthorn.

If that's the case expect a cashed up GWS to chase two or three very good players for 2014. Mummy would be a prime target so depending on how our giant forward line functions this year we may have a battle on our hands to keep Mummy. If he does decide to defect to GWS, I'd hope we could get a good trade deal done with them and not lose him for nothing in the PSD.

[goswannie14]

Latest news is from Franklin's manager Liam Pickering who says he is very confident Franklin will stay at Hawthorn.

If that's the case expect a cashed up GWS to chase two or three very good players for 2014. Mummy would be a prime target so depending on how our giant forward line functions this year we may have a battle on our hands to keep Mummy. If he does decide to defect to GWS, I'd hope we could get a good trade deal done with them and not lose him for nothing in the PSD.

Sheedy has been talking about first or second pick in the draft IIRC.

[Nico]

You would go for the number one pick. They say he is a super star and looks it and GWS is prepared to put up the number one. Why wouldn't you just do it and throw in another player.

[Ludwig]

GWS also have a compensation pick, probably #10, which should around the mark for Mummy. I think it depends how the it goes with the 2 Ruckmen plus Tippo. If it gets us to another GF, then probably we will find a way to keep Mummy and trade Jesse. If not, perhaps it's the other way round.