2013 not yet re-signed....

[Ajn]

http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/wiki/index.php?title=2013

The list shows 15 names yet to resign, heard Richards mention he has another year.
We have a number of rookies to promote, hope we don't miss on any

Jed Lamb (worried he may go home, lack of opportunity?)
Andrejs Everitt (not yet sold on him...)
Alex Johnson (go home factor?)
Jesse White (likely trade, think cap may not have allowed for him to resign)
Jude Bolton (ret.)
Martin Mattner (ret.)
Rhyce Shaw (ret. I wish)
Shane Mumford (Likely to go?)
Mitch Morton (ret.)
Shane Biggs (shows talent)
Daniel Robinson (shows talent)
Jake Lloyd (shows talent)
Xavier Richards (shows talent)
Sam Naismith (shows talent)
Brandon Jack (shows talent)

[jetts32]

With Mumford most likely leaving I doubt White will leave, he's been good this year.
I hope Lamb stays, it took me a while to be sold on him, but I think he shows real potential with Stevie J type skills.
B.Jack will deffinatly stay with his brother, probably same as Richards.
Biggs, Lloyd and Johnson have to stay! Biggs and Lloyd have shown great potential and obviously Johnson is already a great player.

Dammit Swans, sign these guys!

[mcs]

This is my take:

- Johnson will not be going anywhere unless he asks for a trade- club know how good he is and they are probably just trying to iron out the bigger names contracts before deciding what they can offer him. I'd be astounded if we let him go, and I doubt there would be a lot of interest from other clubs (given he is coming off getting the same ACL fixed twice) at this stage.
-Morton/Mattner/Bolton are retiring.
- Shaw will stick around - no way that he would have a LARS operation if he didn't intend on going around.
- Biggs, Llyold, Xavier Richards, Naismith, Jack will all be kept on. Biggs and Jack have shown their talent, Xavier is an obvious successor plan player for the backline, and Naismith is a good project who looks to have talent if his body stays right. Llyold has been very good in reserves and will clearly be knocking on the door of the seniors next year, so the club I doubt will be letting him go anywhere.
- I don't know much about Dan Robinson - ressies people will no doubt have a view.
- Lamb - would not suprise me to see him seek a trade, although he has shown enough this year that the club I think will want to keep him on.
- Everitt - has done well this year, but I'm not convinced he is in our best 22 when all fit. If we can keep him on the right $$$, then he will stay.
- That leaves Jesse and Mummy. Mummy will be very difficult to keep, as surely we don't have the $$$ to match what will be offered by GWS, or potentially someone like Collingwood or Hawthorn. I hope he stays, but this is very much a 50/50 one at this stage.
- And good old Jesse Jane. I'm very happy with his improvement this year, but I'd be suprised if the club doesn't seriously consider a decent offer made for him by other clubs. Another tough one, but I think he will probably leave.

[Melbournehammer]

just as an aside I have no idea why you would say ret i wish re rhyce shaw. he has been a seriously good player for us and although injured a lot this year i wouldnt be moving him on until weve got the last bit of footy out of him.

[Ajn]

just as an aside I have no idea why you would say ret i wish re rhyce shaw. he has been a seriously good player for us and although injured a lot this year i wouldnt be moving him on until weve got the last bit of footy out of him.

Nothing against him, just thinking succession plan to bring in someone younger than his 32 years of age.
2 big injuries have limited him this year and at 33 is not likely to get much better.
More concern that a younger replacement mey move on, leaving us with a gap in the next year of retirements...

Goodes, ROK, LRT, Richards maybe (all pushing into the 30's and coontracts ending 2014)

[wolftone57]

http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/wik...php?title=2013
The list shows 15 names yet to resign, heard Richards mention he has another year.
We have a number of rookies to promote, hope we don't miss on any

Jed Lamb (worried he may go home, lack of opportunity?)
Andrejs Everitt (not yet sold on him...)
Alex Johnson (go home factor?)
Jesse White (likely trade, think cap may not have allowed for him to resign)
Jude Bolton (ret.)
Martin Mattner (ret.)
Rhyce Shaw (ret. I wish)
Shane Mumford (Likely to go?)
Mitch Morton (ret.)
Shane Biggs (shows talent)
Daniel Robinson (shows talent)
Jake Lloyd (shows talent)
Xavier Richards (shows talent)
Sam Naismith (shows talent)
Brandon Jack (shows talent)

Just a couple of things. Jack, Naismith, Richards, Lloyd and Robinson are all first year rookies and will be resigned automatically unless we delist them and there is Buckley's and none that any of these boys are getting away.

Mumford has been linked to Pies recently but I hope it isn't true.

Lamb, Everitt, White, Biggs & Johnson will all be offered either contracts or extensions. But the retirements will depend on list management and Shaw may be asked to retire. The other thing is that even though Goodsie has anther year on his contract will his body stand up? I personally don't think it will, after all he spent a good deal of last season out and even more of this season out and couldn't manage to get fit at all in the end. LRT and Ryano could go around for another year if they have the will to do it.

So the upshot is that Mattner, Morton and Bolton retire therefore leaving three spaces on the list. Lockyer, Walsh & Dick can be dropped to the rookie list to make more room. If Goodes and Shaw retire then there are too more spaces to fill. That makes 8 to fill. Biggs & Rampe would be upgraded leaving 5 more spaces. This depends on whether Longmire sees himself wanting to develop for the future, next year and beyond, or staying with the past and keeping older injury ridden players on the list.

[woo]

HERE HERE re Shaw. Sorry, always know when to leave. Bolton knows(hurts to say)...Mattner knew....Shaw it's time to leave the house.

[Go Swannies]

HERE HERE re Shaw. Sorry, always know when to leave. Bolton knows(hurts to say)...Mattner knew....Shaw it's time to leave the house.

That'll make him sorry he's had the surgery to play on. I hope he's the one that gives us the drive out of the backline for next year's Premiership. On the other hand, a lot of people here thought Bolton should have gone at the end of last year. And I presume we scrap Goodes, too - he's the oldest? And LRT? Maybe a year left in Pyke, with luck? Mal's no spring chicken - and McVeigh's been around forever and has a dodgy knee, apparently. Time for a clean out.

[Mug Punter]

Have a feeling we won't be able to afford to keep both Mummy and Jesse and we'll need to sacrifice one.

No brainer for me with Mummy, use the $200K plus we'll save on Jesse to top up his salry and get a decent trade for Jesse. Perhaps we can bundle him and our first round pick for a top 10 draft pick. Could be a very tempting offer for a club like the doggies....

[AnnieH]

Goodness gracious.
I'm not even going to bother with this one.

You people are nuts.

[jono2707]

Getting LARS done on a knee does not necessarily mean Shaw will play on next year. I understand it is becoming more common in general as an option and that in itself wouldn't mean that Rhyce playing on is a fait accompli. I think there will still be some consideration given to his place on the 2014 list but also, he sounds like he's been a great clubman recently so the club wouldn't necessarily be keen to cut him. Could be a tricky decision...

[Doctor]

Nothing against him, just thinking succession plan to bring in someone younger than his 32 years of age.
2 big injuries have limited him this year and at 33 is not likely to get much better.)

That's fair enough thinking but I don't think it matches up with your original comment of "I wish", which suggests you don't rate him and want him to leave, which is unfair on a player who has been so good for us and is a Premiership player.

I suspect he's planning to stay if the LARS works, and I think another year is fair enough, even if it has to be on a reduced contract.

In terms of the other signings, it really does depend on how much we have left to play with and whether or not we're planning to dip into the free agent or trade market ourselves. Considering our talls now, with LRT & Reid to come back, it does seem that we're unbalanced. Having said that, the Mummy/Pyke double act has been so good for us I don't know why we'd want to break that up unless we had to.

Everitt is exactly what you want in a squad player (team guy, versatile, experienced) so we'd do well to keep him if he's realistic about his worth.

White is the one I still can't make up my mind about. He's been great for us (finally) this year, but if he gets a massive offer and we can trade him in a way that will help the team, we'd be mad not to consider it. We want to continue to refresh the squad without it reducing in quality, all within the confines of a salary cap. It's not an easy process.

[Bloodthirsty]

Need to keep White. Need to keep Mumford as well if possible. With so many retirements, I thought it would be possible.

[aardvark]

Geez guys Colless came out in the middle of the year and stated publicly that we have room in the cap for at least one more established player. With 3 retirements already we have tons of room to keep whoever we want..........if that's what we want!

[Ludwig]

Need to keep White. Need to keep Mumford as well if possible. With so many retirements, I thought it would be possible.

At this point there are only 3 retirements and no obvious delistings, so we are just at the minimum. The other possible retirements are all on contract. With the LARS surgery, Shaw should know if he can go on by the time of the National Draft.