2013 not yet re-signed....

[Ludwig]

It makes me laugh the way Jesse is trumpeted on here. The only reason he is getting any reviews is that he has gone from realising 2% of his potential to about 50%. I agree he is improved but I still reckon he goes missing when the heat is on...

Those suggesting he is more important than Mumford are totally deluded.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for the guy personally but I won't be too worried if he leaves for greener pastures - Reid and KT as our long term forwards will do for me any day. I'd be happy for us to resign him (which I wouldn't have said last year) but not at any cost.....

I can't wait till Jesse reaches 90% of his potential. He'll be a shoe-in for the Brownlow.

The delusion is how some are judging White's performance this year. Look at Reid's performance before he was injured and compare it to White's. We talk about how we can't wait for Reid to return, but his performance is mediocre compared to White's. Agree about Whites's underperforming past, but he should be judged on how he's doing now. BTW, I love the way Reid played in defence the times he's gone back. I think he'd be better than his brother.

No doubting Mummy's quality. But what do you do when you have 2 of the top 10 ruckmen in the competition and you might better off for team balance to play only one? Over the long haul would another 1st round draft pick be worth more than a potentially superfluous second ruckmen?

For me, this is a list management issue, not whether Mummy is a high quality player or not. If you're Hawthorn, and you had to choose between Mummy and White, you would definitely take Mummy. But we are strong in the rucks and but have some aging KPPs, so for our list, White is the more important one.

[Melbourne_Blood]

White has had the benefit of playing alongside Tippett, Reid hasn't. Therefore I don't think you can judge anything White has done this year as superior to anything Reid has done in the past because Reid hasn't played in the side with this very significant advantage. Whites been awesome, no denying. I think it's ignorant though to start forgetting the talent Reid has, the potential he has yet to reach, and how he might play when he gets his chance with Tippo taking most of the heat from the opposition defenders. White has 4 years on Reid. I would be surprised if Reid hasn't achieved far more by the time he is Whites age.

[Ludwig]

White has had the benefit of playing alongside Tippett, Reid hasn't. Therefore I don't think you can judge anything White has done this year as superior to anything Reid has done in the past because Reid hasn't played in the side with this very significant advantage. Whites been awesome, no denying. I think it's ignorant though to start forgetting the talent Reid has, the potential he has yet to reach, and how he might play when he gets his chance with Tippo taking most of the heat from the opposition defenders. White has 4 years on Reid. I would be surprised if Reid hasn't achieved far more by the time he is Whites age.

I agree with all of this. I also think Reid will be a super player whether he plays forward or back. I think he has many similarities to brother Ben, but will be better.

It is worth noting that White has played 2 of his best games when Tippett was not in the side (round 23 and last game). Furthermore, Reid has had the advantage of playing most games with Goodes in the team, while White has not.

Clearly, there have been wasted years in White's career when he (admittedly) hasn't applied himself. Chronologically he is 4 years older than Reid, but developmentally, they are about equal.

[Mug Punter]

I agree with all of this. I also think Reid will be a super player whether he plays forward or back. I think he has many similarities to brother Ben, but will be better.

It is worth noting that White has played 2 of his best games when Tippett was not in the side (round 23 and last game). Furthermore, Reid has had the advantage of playing most games with Goodes in the team, while White has not.

Clearly, there have been wasted years in White's career when he (admittedly) hasn't applied himself. Chronologically he is 4 years older than Reid, but developmentally, they are about equal.

I'm mildly encouraged by the big Jesse this year but I still think he is prone to having too many stinkers and going MIA. Maybe I am too hard a marker but he is coming such a low base and I just think we are all amazed he is actually contributing SOMETHING to the team. And the cynic in me suspects that once his career is secured with a million dollar four year deal he will slip back into his bad old habits (nothing like the dole queue to get you to pull your finger out)

I hope he stays, which is a huge wrap coming from me, but I just suspect that we will struggle to keep both players.

Am a huge fan of Mike_Pike but I reckon you need two decent rucks in your squad - assuming we have KT earmarked as a key forward we will need to trade for a ruckman should Mummy leave...

[Bloodthirsty]

If we could somehow trade Mumford and other stuff for H. Shaw and B. Reid, we'd have the best list in the AFL. Tippo would do way more rucking and that would solve the Tippett-centric problems of late at FF. Problem is that Collingwood would probably not give up Reid for anything.

Would that be 4 sets of brothers then?

[Doctor]

I have to agree with Mug Punter, although without disparaging others on here. Mumford is worth SO much more to us than White.

[MightyBloods]

If we could somehow trade Mumford and other stuff for H. Shaw and B. Reid, we'd have the best list in the AFL. Tippo would do way more rucking and that would solve the Tippett-centric problems of late at FF. Problem is that Collingwood would probably not give up Reid for anything.

Would that be 4 sets of brothers then?

Ben Reid becomes a 'restricted free agent' at the end of next season ...8 years with the Pies. I'm sure, if not now, the Swans will approach his management at some point in the near future for talks.

[Mug Punter]

Ben Reid becomes a 'restricted free agent' at the end of next season ...8 years with the Pies. I'm sure, if not now, the Swans will approach his management at some point in the near future for talks.

Would highly support a move for Ben Reid

[Ajn]

Would highly support a move for Ben Reid

Will be extremely unlikely. The fabric of our team is set in the group we have and the kids we have coming through.
Unlikely that Collingwood lose someone they want to keep.
Very rare for them to lose someone (many life after football options for players...not official but very real)

[Mug Punter]

We need some more power at the back IMO, time will tell. We have a strong record of also cherrypicking in established talent for specific roles and I think and additional defender could be on the shopping list as our mids and forwards are pretty well stocked

Also, whilst not meaning to denigrate Jesse, as he did try hard, but last night illustrated to me why I won't be heartbroken if he leaves (as opposed to _wanting_ him to leave)

[BillyRayCypress]

As Brad Scott said, need to be careful not to overate your list. I think that may be a problem with some on RWO.

[wolftone57]

I'm mildly encouraged by the big Jesse this year but I still think he is prone to having too many stinkers and going MIA. Maybe I am too hard a marker but he is coming such a low base and I just think we are all amazed he is actually contributing SOMETHING to the team. And the cynic in me suspects that once his career is secured with a million dollar four year deal he will slip back into his bad old habits (nothing like the dole queue to get you to pull your finger out)

I hope he stays, which is a huge wrap coming from me, but I just suspect that we will struggle to keep both players.

Am a huge fan of Mike_Pike but I reckon you need two decent rucks in your squad - assuming we have KT earmarked as a key forward we will need to trade for a ruckman should Mummy leave...

I wouldn't trade for a ruckman as there are not too many good ones that are not required by their clubs. Warnock if he is not required will go to either GWS, Bullies or Port I would think but other than him there is not much in the pool. We have a very good rookie ruckman in Sam Naismith who after getting over injury proved how valuable he was to the reserves. Very talented young bloke and a future 1st ruck in the Polly Farmer style just about a foot taller.

[Mug Punter]

Shaun Hampson?

[Matt80]

Does Shaun Hampson still go out with Megan Gail?

[Mug Punter]

Does Shaun Hampson still go out with Megan Gail?

Indeed he does, reckon she could switch teams?