Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[Primmy]

Exactly Liz. I once told Jesse I thought he could be a Gun (early game in Ressies), and I have been waiting and waiting. Its taken a lot of time, he has maintained his good grace and enjoyment of everyone else's success. The opportunities just didn't fall his way, by twist of luck or misfortune. But its now time for him to do what he HAS to do to make a proper career out of the game of AFL.

Don't die wondering Jesse. Go for it. Right behind you.

Show the world what a true gentleman of the game looks like.

[wolftone57]

Surely because they thougth there would be no interest in them , Jolly maybe going to Dees aside i dont think the other 2 will be looked at elsewhere. On top of that they possibly have 3 others that theyll want to be concentrating on in Shaw,Thomas and O'Brien. I think theyll lose Shaw and O'Brien which may free up enough cash for them to hold onto Thomas.

I think they will lose all three. Thomas does not want to stay under Buckley same goes for O'Brien. Shaw would want to stay but Bucks is not happy with him and wants to move him on. When Bucks backed Eddy he basically lost Krakour and Harry and even though Harry played the last part of the season there were tensions.

[johnno]

Are we 'officially' chasing anyone?

I've heard a couple of theories regarding Buddy. Do we want him? Could we fit him in the salary cap?

I think we really need a key position defender

Anyone else?

[magic.merkin]

All the best Jesse. Never a bigger grin has been seen when his team mate kicks a goal. Keep throwing that weight around!

I dip my lid to Liz again. Always concise, well reasoned and on point!

Funnily enough I was watching Micky O's 300th game from 2009 this morning. Jesse clean skinned, was much heavier looking. So with his endurance increase has also come a slimming down to a near perfect body for his size and role. As long as he has no niggles, he is cherry ripe to go! Sadly Collingwood will now enjoy this

[Untamed Snark]

Has anyone thought about trading for O'Brien?
Jesse + a pick or fringe player?

[Plugger1300]

Sad to see Jesse go. We invested a lot both time and money. No hard feelings and hope he plays well wherever (just not against us)
Can't believe people on this site rate him in Mumfords vicinity. We are talking about one of the top 3 ruckman in the league imo.

Whether or not you rate Reid above him is up to you but Reid for me offers a lot more going forward or back if you get me.

Worry a little about Jesse at the Pies. Always thought his confidence was the deriding factor in his form. The melbourne press and Collingwood supporters expectations will prove to be sapping on him.

Also we don't want O'brien! What we need is another tall backman but Collingwood and the bulldogs won't offer us that.
I would take the Shaw gamble

[Matt80]

Lots of support for Jesse and his next career move.

Will Sam Reid be able to replicate White's late season form for the whole of 2014?

I don't want to be in a situation next season where Sam Reid is out with another soft tissue injury and Jesse White had destroyed Heath Grundy in combining for 10 goals between he and Travis Cloke against the Swans!

[Mug Punter]

Those arguing that retaining Jesse should be a priority for the Swans need to understand that even if the club would like to keep him, it is out of their hands.

Look at things from Jesse's point of view. His football improved markedly in 2012. His fitness improved, he finally seemed to accept that his chances at sustained senior football would be enhanced if he could become at least a semi-competent back-up ruckman, and offer something around the ground. He played much of the reserves season in the ruck, winning himself the ruck spot in the NEAFL Eastern Conference team of the year. When he went forward, he was productive and kicked a couple of big bags of goals.

Despite this, senior opportunities were few and far between. The Swans senior team was going great guns and there were few injuries that opened up even the glimmer of senior opportunity for Jesse.

At the end of the year, the Swans set their sights on Tippett, whose arrival at the club would limit even further any chances Jesse might have to force his way into the senior team. To add insult to injury, he was offered up as a trade to Adelaide - not in itself a bad thing for Jesse - and promptly became a source of ridicule, with the media speculating (possibly correctly) that the Swans were desperate to rid themselves of him and his fat contract so that they could fit Tippett under the cap.

The trade falls through, and Jesse has to front back up to the Swans for the start of the new pre-season in the knowledge that he was a long way from being a required player and further than ever away from senior footy. Despite this, he knuckles down, applies himself, and continues to improve his endurance.

The new season starts and he is, of course, in the reserves team. He plays well, taking up from where he left off the previous year. On the injury front, things are a little different for the Swans. First they lose LRT to long term injury, a player directly competing with Jesse as a forward cum makeshift ruck. Mumford's not in top nick and Pyke is shouldering much of the ruckwork on his own. Still Jesse's stuck in the reserves. The Reid gets injured. So does Goodes. What happens? Walsh gets called up for a senior game ahead of Jesse.

Fortune only changes for Jesse at Walsh's expense and he is literally the only tall player left standing. He gets a senior recall and, to his credit, makes decent contributions in some games, very good ones in others. The media starts talking about him, suggesting how much Adelaide must wish they'd taken him, especially with Walker gone for the season. By the end of the year he's put together a pretty reasonable three months of football on the public stage and the general perception of him is that he's not such a dud after all.

But still, he looks at the Swans list and realises that Goodes and Reid and LRT are all expected back next year. Tippett won't be suspended for half the season. Players like Membrey, Rohan and maybe Towers are breathing down his neck fighting for spots in next year's forward line. He's not going to be in the best 22, even after the relatively good show he's put on when opportunity finally came knocking.

Other clubs have taken notice of his decent form, and some of them are crying out for a player like him, They have a clear spot for him in their senior team. Collingwood is an obvious case in point. They recruited Lynch to provide big-bodied senior support to Cloke, and to pinch hit in the ruck but it was clear early in the season that Lynch was on his last legs. They were forced to play their best key defender as a forward just so that Cloke wasn't triple teamed the whole time. By the end of the season, they have also realised that their number one ruckman of the past few seasons is physically shot, and delist him, leaving two very young and inexperienced rucks to lead the way in 2014, supported by the near pensioner in Hudson. They desperately need someone like Jesse who they don't expect to become a world beater but has a definite role to play over the next couple of seasons. They offer him a 3 year contract. Jesse may never get another opportunity. His stocks aren't going to rise if he plays another season or two in the NEAFL and he's 25 already, so should be in peak of his career. He can't afford to wait around for another two years for Goodes and LRT to retire and hope that no-one else has emerged ahead of him.

If I were Jesse, I know what I would do.

Spot on analysis.

Wish the Big Jesse all the best, don't think we quite saw the best of him but doubt this trade will come back to haunt us either

[Ludwig]

I would like to see a 3 way deal with Jesse going to the Pies, Shaw to the Giants and either Jaksch or Josh Bruce coming to us. Everybody wins. Shaw is just what the Giants need and we get our KPD.

[Mountain Man]

Now that is a good outcome, IMHO

[Primmy]

Good point Lud. Its been done before, so....wouldn't it be a feather in your cap if you have made an early call!!

[Panttz]

Shaw is an absolute gun and any potential issues with his attitude would be squashed by his brother and our strong leadership group in the first weeks of pre season. I would happily take the Shaw+3rd round for Jesse in a heart beat!

[Mug Punter]

I would like to see a 3 way deal with Jesse going to the Pies, Shaw to the Giants and either Jaksch or Josh Bruce coming to us. Everybody wins. Shaw is just what the Giants need and we get our KPD.

I'd like that trade!!

Shaw to the Bogans would be a good recruit for them. If I was SOS I'd also seriously be considering picking up Chapman from Geelong on a 2 year deal if they can get him for free - he's still got a bit iof footy in him but would be a great mentor for the young uns, which could be vital if they recruit that peanut Franklin....

[Triple B]

As we have discussed in this and other threads, we are really squeezed for places on the main list with the guys we already have, so trades like 'Player X for Player Z and a 3rd rd pick' don't help us in that regard. Unless Player Z is a player that could improve us immediately (such as Heath Shaw), we are worse off.

I reckon we should be doing whatever we can to upgrade our 1st and 2nd rounders, as that is more than likely all we'll use, our 3rd and any subsequent picks will be on the Rampe's and Perris' of the world.

We'd probably look a loser in a scenario such as 'White to Collingwood for a swap of 1st and 2nd rounders'. We lose Jesse but move from 15 and 33, to 11 and 29 (or thereabouts) in the draft. That's probably not ideal, but it's the type of strategy I'd like us to work towards...

[Mug Punter]

As we have discussed in this and other threads, we are really squeezed for places on the main list with the guys we already have, so trades like 'Player X for Player Z and a 3rd rd pick' don't help us in that regard. Unless Player Z is a player that could improve us immediately (such as Heath Shaw), we are worse off.

I reckon we should be doing whatever we can to upgrade our 1st and 2nd rounders, as that is more than likely all we'll use, our 3rd and any subsequent picks will be on the Rampe's and Perris' of the world.

We'd probably look a loser in a scenario such as 'White to Collingwood for a swap of 1st and 2nd rounders'. We lose Jesse but move from 15 and 33, to 11 and 29 (or thereabouts) in the draft. That's probably not ideal, but it's the type of strategy I'd like us to work towards...

Would also allow us an extra draft pick to accomodate Perris should we wish to draft him