Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[Cardinal]

A quick horizon scan will find plenty better tuck options than Jolly out there - what's Jamar up to?

The Swans have the allure of a premiership window. It has to be worth something - look at Hawthorn's picks. Shaw would be our S. Burgoyne. His discipline issues are minor, I expect it's the relationship with Buckley that is the issue.

[BillyRayCypress]

Shaw would be our S. Burgoyne. His discipline issues are minor, I expect it's the relationship with Buckley that is the issue.

I thought Rhys would be outstanding in terms of dedication and devotion when he first joined. History has shown that he has been even better than that with his influence on younger players.

Heath should/will be better.

[wolftone57]

Wonder if we'll swap our pick 1 and White for Shaw and Pies pick 2 ?

This would be a really bad move. Jesse is twice the value Heath Shaw, as Heath is undisciplined and unpredictable. He is a time bomb waiting to happen. We need Jesse White, we don't need a @@@@head like Heath Shaw who would not play well for us anyway as he is a Pies man to his soul. Rhyce has had his problems adapting to playing Pies and gave the ball up to them more often than her kicked to us in the first half of the prelim last year.We don't need any other teams offcuts. We need young players we can develop. Watch how our young players develop next year, Biggs, Xav Richards, Brownie, Membrey, Towers, Lloyd etc they are all going to be good. Forget drafting a medium back like Shaw and look to draft a KPP back or two and a ruckman (rookie). We need more speed too.

[Ludwig]

You are either overrating White or underrating Shaw or perhaps both

If you take the totality of their respective careers, you would be correct. But given White's improvement, that he plays a more critical position, the age difference and off and on field baggage that Shaw carries, I think things even out a lot. Some of these things are difficult to weigh up, so it's a difficult call to make. I tend to think they are more even than you think.

[Cardinal]

I respect what Jesse has done as much as the next person. But let's face it, he filled a void out of necessity and performed above expectation compared to past disappointment. Let's not get carried away with his future potential. If we can get a gun like Shaw, who many commentators have said was the Pies most important player we should without hesitation!

[Ludwig]

Wolfy, I've been looking in my Bible but I can't find the reference.

[Matt80]

Disappointed to lose Jesse, but Heath Shaw would be a good pick up. He would love life in Bondi and Coogee, where he could blend in and not be recognised all the time!

Jesse according to a Herald article needs to have an interview with Collingwood next week. I'm hoping this could be a ROK situation!

[mcs]

I think Jesse has been ridden quite hard by both Longmire and Roos, and would rightly be looking at a new start.

I have great resect for Longmire, but rating Tommy Walsh ahead of White for two seasons is a joke. Tommy Walsh has never reached White level and has no potential to so.

Good luck Jesse. I don't hate Collingwood anymore, in fact I like them now!

You do rate Jesse exceptionally highly, considering he has had pretty much 1/2 a good season in the top grade in his whole career. No doubt he played well in the second half of the year. But that could just be because he has been playing for a new contract or a trade.

If we get a decent trade for Jesse, I won't be unhappy at all. The guy could become a world beater, but I honestly don't think he will. Certainly not a trade I think anyone should be slashing wrists around, especially as eventually I do think it'll click for Sammy Reid, and I do think he will be far better than Jesse ever will be.

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Not sure if its just newspaper talk, but I read today that Armstrong and Walsh will be de-listed. I thought Walsh
looked OK before he got injured.

Would be harsh on Walsh considering he looked like he had improved significantly before the injury - but I wouldn't be surprised if we put him back to the rookie list (I assume we can do that?). As for Armstrong, him not getting picked despite all our injuries late in the year says a lot to me and it wouldn't surprise me either if they do delist him. The guy can clearly play, but really has struggled to show composure at the AFL level.

[Ludwig]

We've been waiting 2 years for Reid to 'arrive'. First there was the shoulder injury, then the hamstring. This year he had the quad injury that kept him out half the season. He's only young, etc., etc. I too think he is a prodigious talent, but worry about his susceptibility to injury.

On the other hand, Jesse White actually has 'arrived'. He has strung together a more than respectable set of games, and seems to have improved as the season progressed. I can't remember him ever being injured, but it's probably because he spent so much time in reserves.

Well, I can see why some would think this is only a 'contract-time' Jesse, and once it's signed, it's back to the old Jesse. If that turns out to be the case, well I will be very pleased that he took Collingwood for a ride. It will be the best thing he every did for the Swans. And thanks Jude, for showing him off to Bucks and adding some credibility to this beautifully set up sting operation. You deserve your 10 % cut.

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Not sure if its just newspaper talk, but I read today that Armstrong and Walsh will be de-listed. I thought Walsh
looked OK before he got injured.

Aren't Walsh and Armstrong flatmates? Maybe we need the room for new recruits.

They are both under contract for next season, so I am not sure how that works re the salary cap or payouts if it is true about their delisting. I wouldn't be totally surprised though.

I didn't think that Armstrong was all that bad. I know he has his weaknesses, but he seemed to be working them out in the reserves.

Maybe it is just newspaper speculation, as they are the obvious ones to go.

[ugg]

Swan Jesse White to seek a trade

Jesse's agent Ben Williams:

"Today I had a meeting with the Sydney Swans on behalf of Jesse and I have requested a trade for him. All of Jesse's family live in Melbourne so that is the likely destination for him," Williams said.

[BillyRayCypress]

Swan Jesse White to seek a trade

Jesse's agent Ben Williams:




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I liked this bit:

The Swans also have premiership ruckman Shane Mumford still yet to sign a new contract with Greater Western Sydney understood to be interested. It is doubtful the former Geelong ruckman would now leave the Swans.

[Matt80]

I do rate Jesse highly and have always been a believer. He came in for Hall in 2009 and played very well. In 2010 he had to deal with Bradshaw coming in. In 2011 and 2012 he had to deal with Sam Reid, LRT, Mike Pyke and Tom Walsh being rated ahead of him.

He has the most talent and potential out of all those guys with the exception of Bradshaw!

That talent and potential is starting to really click now and he understands what is required!

I want the Swans to enjoy the benefits of an astute and patient investment, considering he was one of the last picks in the 2006 draft.

He would play very well for Collingwood in supporting Travis Cloke, but I would like him supporting his old Southport teammate Kurt Tippett!

[Swansongster]

Just slow down a bit guys. I am still back on page 10 trying to catch up and I keep seeing the number of pages on this thread climbing.

[BillyRayCypress]

At Southport, Kurt played CHF and Jesse played CHB.

[Meg]

Just slow down a bit guys. I am still back on page 10 trying to catch up and I keep seeing the number of pages on this thread climbing.

Come on, keep up!