Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[liz]

Is Perris good enough to go straight onto a senior list? Would he get a senior game next year?

At a crap club like Melbourne, he almost certainly would get a game next year. At a club with a strongish midfield, maybe he would, maybe not. He's a little on the small side at the moment - not just height but build too. His height isn't going to change, and he's tall enough to be a senior player - I'd guess he's 178-179cm. But he would need to add a little bulk. He looks like he's got the frame to do so. He won't become huge but should be able to develop a similar physique to KJ given time.

The Swans have some challenging list management issues this year, but from an outsider's perspective, I'd put him on the senior list rather than risk losing him. The reality is that we had to draft at least three players onto the senior list. Only one elevated rookie can count towards this total, so that leaves two to be recruited externally as a minimum. Perris can count towards this quota.

He may be quite small but his onfield vision and creativity have been evident this year in the reserves. He's gotten better as the year has gone on, and remember that he missed last season with a knee reco. He's not particularly quick, but you could see him becoming a Sam Mitchell type midfield controller in time. I realise that's shooting quite high, and chances are he will never become that good. But it's the kind of role you could see him becoming.

[aardvark]

Thanks Liz. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Rod_]

The cost of Tippett is starting to hurt us! Who is going and what will be left or afford ?? (and Tippett cost how much...)

For goodness sakes all we needed was the 10 - 20 injuries that we had during the year and Jesse White decides he can play... Didn't need the 320+ pages of Tippett trade commentary and subsequent speculations.. I agree that he could be handy in 2014, however 2013 was at the end of it a waste chasing the big Tipp..

Jesse was by my reckoning a better player by the end of the year than Tippett and will most likely be flying all over the place looking for a new home.. (and decent $) Hope we have room to make him stay but doubt this will occur! Reid could be trade bait (start a rumour - joins his bro in Collingwoooood for the other Shaw bro! Frees up some $ and we keep White and ?? Crap rumour but its out there now! = comments please)

It is the off season and we do need something to keep our mind active.



Rod_

[Ludwig]

At a crap club like Melbourne, he almost certainly would get a game next year. At a club with a strongish midfield, maybe he would, maybe not. He's a little on the small side at the moment - not just height but build too. His height isn't going to change, and he's tall enough to be a senior player - I'd guess he's 178-179cm. But he would need to add a little bulk. He looks like he's got the frame to do so. He won't become huge but should be able to develop a similar physique to KJ given time.

The Swans have some challenging list management issues this year, but from an outsider's perspective, I'd put him on the senior list rather than risk losing him. The reality is that we had to draft at least three players onto the senior list. Only one elevated rookie can count towards this total, so that leaves two to be recruited externally as a minimum. Perris can count towards this quota.

He may be quite small but his onfield vision and creativity have been evident this year in the reserves. He's gotten better as the year has gone on, and remember that he missed last season with a knee reco. He's not particularly quick, but you could see him becoming a Sam Mitchell type midfield controller in time. I realise that's shooting quite high, and chances are he will never become that good. But it's the kind of role you could see him becoming.

I certainly agree that we have some challenging list management issues, and adding Perris to the senior list would seem a bargain. I think the bigger issue is that Perris just gets added to the queue of young promising midfielders with no place to go. With Jetta and Rohan coming back there really is no place for the likes of Lamb, Cunningham, BJ and Lloyd, and it looks that way for a fair time to come. I can see why we would prefer to put Perris on the rookie list when we have already have rookies BJ and Lloyd being more advanced at this stage and more likely to challenge for the scant senior spots available. And I can understand that Perris wouldn't want to wait around in hope that something opens up for him in a couple of years when, as you say, he may well get senior games with a team like Melbourne.

I wonder if we did senior list Perris if it effectively forces us trade out Lamb, simply to relieve the backlog of midfielders clambering for spots.

If I were a quality young midfielder, the last team I'd want to get drafted by is Sydney.

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The cost of Tippett is starting to hurt us! Who is going and what will be left or afford ?? (and Tippett cost how much...)

For goodness sakes all we needed was the 10 - 20 injuries that we had during the year and Jesse White decides he can play... Didn't need the 320+ pages of Tippett trade commentary and subsequent speculations.. I agree that he could be handy in 2014, however 2013 was at the end of it a waste chasing the big Tipp..

Jesse was by my reckoning a better player by the end of the year than Tippett and will most likely be flying all over the place looking for a new home.. (and decent $) Hope we have room to make him stay but doubt this will occur! Reid could be trade bait (start a rumour - joins his bro in Collingwoooood for the other Shaw bro! Frees up some $ and we keep White and ?? Crap rumour but its out there now! = comments please)

It is the off season and we do need something to keep our mind active.

Rod_

Both Tippett and White had good seasons. Whether Tippett is worth the money we are paying him will always be debatable, but he does offer that strong marking target that we've been missing since Bazza left.

Mummy is the more likely one to move on and make room in the salary cap. I think White will be the one to stay.

I can't see why we would want to trade Reid, when we openly say that we need another young defender. Reid came to us as a defender and was only pressed into service as a forward because we had no one else. Granted that he is still young, but he never really has looked totally comfortable in the job. I think he should flourish as a key defender.

[On-Baller]

Tippett was leading goal kicker wasnt he for the second half of the season with more than all other forwards in comp, White played some good footy but youd swear he was bog 3 or 4 times the way people are pumping his tyres up, the short of it is White has been missing in action for a very long time i cant see the coaches changing their thoughts on him after a handful of ok games. Suggestions of trading Reid are strange didnt we give him a 5 year contract....our coaches have made good calls on players for many years dont see why theyd be wrong on Sam, suggestions of trading him are akin to saying we should trade Tom Mitchell.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Jesse was better than Tippett? The guy who, based on averages, would have challenged for the Coleman had he played a full season?

I wonder sometimes. I really do.

[Auntie.Gerald]

At a crap club like Melbourne, he almost certainly would get a game next year. At a club with a strongish midfield, maybe he would, maybe not. He's a little on the small side at the moment - not just height but build too. His height isn't going to change, and he's tall enough to be a senior player - I'd guess he's 178-179cm. But he would need to add a little bulk. He looks like he's got the frame to do so. He won't become huge but should be able to develop a similar physique to KJ given time.

The Swans have some challenging list management issues this year, but from an outsider's perspective, I'd put him on the senior list rather than risk losing him. The reality is that we had to draft at least three players onto the senior list. Only one elevated rookie can count towards this total, so that leaves two to be recruited externally as a minimum. Perris can count towards this quota.

He may be quite small but his onfield vision and creativity have been evident this year in the reserves. He's gotten better as the year has gone on, and remember that he missed last season with a knee reco. He's not particularly quick, but you could see him becoming a Sam Mitchell type midfield controller in time. I realise that's shooting quite high, and chances are he will never become that good. But it's the kind of role you could see him becoming.

Liz I felt that Lloyd and Perris were a bit of a double up ?

I am almost leaning towards Lloyd

[jono2707]

I think Perris is not really the sort of player we need at the moment, or for the next few years. I doubt that he is as good as Tom Mitchell, and as others have said we have Jack junior, Jed, Lloyd and others in the queue as well. We have other more pressing needs in developing our list so if Perris wants to get on a senior list, I think we should let him go if we are not willing to do anything further than offer him a rookie spot.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Jake Lloyd
Height 180 cm
DOB 20-09-1993
Weight 75 kg Debut -

Taken from the North Ballarat Rebels, running midfielder Jake Lloyd was the Swans first selection in the 2012 Rookie Draft.

Lloyd played two games at VFL level with the North Ballarat Roosters in 2012 and was also the recipient of the TAC Cup Coaches Award after an impressive season with the Rebels, which saw him average 28 possessions.

The 19-year-old, who hails from Horsham in Central Victoria, is expected to bolster the club?s running capacity, after registering an impressive 15.3 in the beep test in 2012.

Draft history: 2013 Rookie Draft selection (Sydney) No. 15.

2013 COACHES CALL
We drafted him because he?s a smart, compact, neat midfielder.

Pre-season has been pretty good. He was the last one to arrive but he?s coped pretty well. He?s been very good on and off in the field in terms of trying to improve his knowledge.

We hope in 2013 that he can develop and play consistent football.

[Matt80]

It could be fun to watch the draft this year! Melbourne may take Lloyd Perris with pick 2, behind Ton Bouyd. If Melbourne don't take him with pick 2 the Swans may get him late in the first round!

I would love to be Lloyd Perris right now!

If Melbourne do take him with pick 2 then he would have a lot to live up to!

[magic.merkin]

Jesse was better than Tippett? The guy who, based on averages, would have challenged for the Coleman had he played a full season?

I wonder sometimes. I really do.

yep, serious grip on reality slipping in 3,2,1...

Jesse was good, great some games. But not as damaging as Tippett.

[ugg]

There's no way Perris is going with pick 2.

[Industrial Fan]

Worried that Lamb may not be with us next year either. Which would be a shame. Could be Vez 2.0 but I think he'll be one that will hurt down the track.

[liz]

There's no way Perris is going with pick 2.

And equally, no way the Swans would use their first round pick on him. If they were prepared to do that, they'd just stick him on the senior list with their last pick.

[southsideswan]

I would like to give my take on it although coming from a low knowledge level. The facts as I see it that we basically have a great team and alot of potential long term high quality players not regularly in the starting 22. We did finish 4th on the ladder and made prelims. This would have/could have been better with less injuries. To stay still is to go backwards. We do get refreshment with retirees. Of the players mentioned as trading I would ask do they want to go and do we want them to go. No good throwing the baby out with the bath water. I would be happy to see only minimal cuts and have our basic focus being doing what we did this year, ie continue the develop of the gems we have.

The tricky part comes with the balance for seniors and rookies. Take both Perris and Lloyd, they would ideally be suited to the rookie list but they will have offers from other clubs to go on their senior list. We may convince Perris to stick it out for a year but Lloyd will be tempted. I get the feeling his manager is pretty busy at the moment. We may look back on it and say how did that one get away? Although the 2's are not the real stuff his figures have been unbelievable.

This is the art of trade period. Good luck to our Club in getting it right close to it. It is a whole new game/competition in itself!!