Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[BillyRayCypress]

Gerard asked Mike last night about Mumford.

Mike said that he wanted a long contract and lots of money. Mike thought that the Swans could not afford to let him go.

I've met Jake LLoyd and he is a young country boy who is very well mannered and would be perfect son-in-law material.

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Gerard asked Mike last night about Mumford.

Mike said that he wanted a long contract and lots of money. Mike thought that the Swans could not afford to let him go.

I've met Jake LLoyd and he is a young country boy who is very well mannered and would be perfect son-in-law material.

[aardvark]

White in Melbourne yesterday, spoke with Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

[Bloodthirsty]

White in Melbourne yesterday, spoke with Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

Anyone else think that we're @@@@@@ if both Mumford and White leave? I do.

[aardvark]

Anyone else think that we're @@@@@@ if both Mumford and White leave? I do.

I reckon Mummy will stay. Word is the sticking point is length of the contract.

[desredandwhite]

White in Melbourne yesterday, spoke with Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

I suspect it will come down to the Mumford deal. If we retain him, expect Jesse to be traded (at least for decent compensation now that he's shown a bit). If Mummy goes, then Jesse might find himself in possession of a shiny new contract.

[aardvark]

If Mummy goes, then Jesse might find himself in possession of a shiny new contract.

There's a fair chance he may not want to stay either way. I'd be happy to trade him for Shaw.

[Matimbo]

yep, serious grip on reality slipping in 3,2,1...

Jesse was good, great some games. But not as damaging as Tippett.

Agree. I'm really surprised at the amount of negativity about KT, especially that he's not worth the money. A year ago, this forum was awash with posts about our lack of a forward line structure, that Sam Reid was really struggling playing on the opposition's #1 defender each week and that Jesse would never be an established seniors player.

KT comes on board for zero trade pick cost but at a premium salary as the solution. But the planned solution - KT and Sam in the fwd line - has not been tested yet, (except for about 10 mins). Despite that KT was the leading goal kicker (I think, or very close) in the AFL for the period he played.

On this basis, why is he labelled a failure or not worth the money after only half a season? I for one am still comfortable we made the right recruitment decision - high salary and all - based on our situation at the time. And I also have confidence that a full season next year with a settled fwd line will prove it was a good call.

Maybe I'll still be wrong, but let's give our investment the appropriate time to deliver a return before we call it a failure please.

[111431]

I suspect it will come down to the Mumford deal. If we retain him, expect Jesse to be traded (at least for decent compensation now that he's shown a bit). If Mummy goes, then Jesse might find himself in possession of a shiny new contract.

Dons to Dogs: Crameri wants trade - i thnk that helps us with Jesse

[sharp9]

What's this bat Perris???. I thought we could put him on the senior list if we wanted....not just the rookie. Surely we are planning on doing that and not letting him go somewhere else.

[SimonH]

Yeah, I think that the Swans hierarchy ain't stupid, so they know that the Mumford situation and the White situation are strongly interdependent. Put simply: we don't need to have both, but nor can we afford to lose both right now.

That said, 'out of sight, out of mind' means that people can tend to underrate how tall our forward-line will naturally skew once everyone's back on board in 2014. Reid, KT, Goodes all up there before we even start to think about a resting ruck or Jesse. That's big.

It is a tricky time for 'traditional' 2nd rucks right now, because the majority of teams will not play 2 like the Swans have been willing to do with Mumford and Pyke. Clubs need a ready-to-play 2nd ruck; they can't rely on a first or second year draftee to fill the void if their main man goes down (Brodie Grundy has been the exception to the rule). But unless that 2nd ruck can also play as a legitimate forward, they won't pick them while the 1st ruck remains fit. There's a lot of underemployed mature rucks cooling their heels in state league comps right now. Hence Dan Currie, who was picked up in the 2006 national draft, and who everyone agrees is AFL standard (he even just signed with North Melbourne until the end of 2015 after other clubs were reportedly circling, looking to snaffle him up), is still awaiting his AFL debut!

[vlg303]

On ruckmen, I think I remember some positive things said about our top-up ruck man in the Reserves while Naismith was injured. Could he be on our drafting target list? Ugg?

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums but an old supporter of the red n whites! I saw the top up ruckman play a couple of his games with the Reserves and from what I can see he looks the goods. Good build for a young ruckman, and quite mobile. Plus I think he may have polled a vote against Longer and the Lions? Do we have room for another rookie ruckman? Surely developing he and Naismith who are both early twenties would overcome the Mummy/Pyke issue within a few years?

[stellation]

White in Melbourne yesterday, spoke with Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

Presumably with his manager in tow?

[DK_]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums but an old supporter of the red n whites! I saw the top up ruckman play a couple of his games with the Reserves and from what I can see he looks the goods. Good build for a young ruckman, and quite mobile. Plus I think he may have polled a vote against Longer and the Lions? Do we have room for another rookie ruckman? Surely developing he and Naismith who are both early twenties would overcome the Mummy/Pyke issue within a few years?

Welcome! Thanks for the info. I would think you'd want at least two junior ruckmen in development - otherwise you're too susceptible to a serious injury.

[Matt79]

(Rumour) According to AFL Trade Rumours, Draft & Offseason News on FB, Mumford is close to signing a deal with GWS.

[Matt80]

White has to test out his options due to being off contract! He was used as trade bait last year to the Crows! I would rather the Swans work out a way for him to stay over Shane Mumford!

A 196cm, over 100 kg key forward who is as quick and as mobile as White is an absolute rarity! If if he was a yank he would have been drafted in NFL, which is the most athletically demanding football league in the World. He has finally got his work ethic and mental application together and will give the Swans some great seasons if he remains!