Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[Beerman]

What we do lack is a very clever small forward...I dont put Benny in that category. I'd love someone like a Josh Green from Brisbane, Dalhaus from Bulldogs, Walters from Freo, Monfries from Pt Adelaide,Elliott from the Pies, Breust from Hawks. We may have a kid but our premiership window is now and one of these guys would top our list off nicely. Green or Elliott more getable. Give Pies White and our 2nd Rd draft pick for Elliott.

Lamb is the man...if he ever gets played.

[Primmy]

[ernie koala]

Seems like both Mummy and Jesse will go cheap, third rounders by all the talk surely they are worth more than that.

They are certainly worth more, particularly Mummy.

Problem is both are out of contract, and they have named their club of choice.

So with seemingly no competition from other clubs, we'll have to take what we're offered, or risk getting nothing.

[Primmy]

Nope, I'm certain I heard one of the Swans management on radio this week ... "Ugg is a required fan for 2014, he won't be going anywhere. Plus we have no interest in Demetriou's salary as we understand we would have to take Demetriou himself as part of the trade, which of course would break our no dickheads rule".

[CureTheSane]

In a way I'd prefer to risk getting nothing.

For example, Jesse - if we demand an earlier pick and they say no, then he can be drafted by anyone who is willing to use an early pick on him?
So Collingwood rick missing out, with the benefit of getting him for no trade if he's still around for the pick they want to use on him.
And then they may have to use a much earlier pick than the Swans would have wanted to make sure another club picked him up?

I don't spend a lot of time on the ins and outs of the draft rules, but is that how it would work?

[RogueSwan]

Tippett's testing may open AFL door again - AFL.com.au

great to see Byron having another go !

SA screening results

Running Vertical Jump
Joel Tippett - 95cm
Tom Gray - 85cm
Byron Sumner - 82cm...

Why did he leave in the first place? Did he want to go home? Not get any chances? Would we look at him again?
My vague recall of Uncle was that he was good and looked to be getting better, I would say he seemed to have more potential than Armstrong does.
He could be worth a look if the RWO instigated rumour about Smooch is true.

[ernie koala]

In a way I'd prefer to risk getting nothing.

For example, Jesse - if we demand an earlier pick and they say no, then he can be drafted by anyone who is willing to use an early pick on him?
So Collingwood rick missing out, with the benefit of getting him for no trade if he's still around for the pick they want to use on him.
And then they may have to use a much earlier pick than the Swans would have wanted to make sure another club picked him up?

I don't spend a lot of time on the ins and outs of the draft rules, but is that how it would work?

I think that's right.

Certainly with White we can be more demanding on the trade, if we want to.

But I think given he has nominated his club of choice, the Swans will want to help him get there.

Firstly, because he served us pretty well.

And second, because the club wants to be seen to look after it's players, even when they want to leave.

As it can only help in terms of our club being a good, non risk, choice, for future players to come to.

No doubt managers make their players aware of which clubs are good to deal with and which aren't.

[Triple B]

In a way I'd prefer to risk getting nothing.

That's not the way we operate and I for one am glad that is the way.

Certainly in the last 10 years (Roos era onwards) we have been fair and more than reasonable in our trading deals. We have targeted players and obtained them with no real hard nosed bargaining. In fact, some of our deals looked like we paid overs, but have worked out fantastically. Jolly looked like we may have paid overs (late first rounder) for a guy who couldn't get a game at Melbourne, but a Premiership and several great years later proved to be a bargain. Ended up sending him back down south at his request and picked up Jetta for our trouble. Teddy the same, a top 20 pick from memory and whilst it looked a bit shaky a few years ago, has now turned out another massive win for us.

Jesse has given us great service and is certainly not leaving due to any acrimony, just for more opportunities and it's what makes our club great that they are prepared to work with his club of choice, even if it means we may miss out in the short term. Same with Mummy, he would most definitely be a player in great demand but we have agreed to his wishes and will deal with GWS exclusively, probably to our detriment.

I'm a firm believer that what we lose on the hurdy gurdy, we pick up on the roundabout and players and their managers are always prepared to deal with the Swans because they have a reputation of fairness.

[CureTheSane]

There comes a point where the best thing for the club comes into play.
I'm not talking about a trade for trade deal here, which is a different scenario.
White wants to leave, and he wants Collingwood.
Collingwood want him.
If they really want him, they can offer up what the Swans think is fair, or we should let him enter the draft and go where he ends up.

This is how it is designed to work, and whilst I wish White the best, as some many of us say, this is a change of employer.
If the Swans think a 3rd round pick is fair, then so be it.
I'd be looking at more than that for sure.
Sometimes precedents need to be set.

[Plugger46]

If a trade isn't done for White and we don't re-sign him (a certainty given we can't afford him), won't he become a de-listed free agent and be free to move to the club of choice?

[chalbilto]

Just deviating a little, can any of the RWO gurus (Ugg, Liz, etc) explain to me what happens to the contracts specifically regarding payments of players who move to other clubs whilst they are still under contract e.g. Heath Shaw who is in the middle of his current contract and say goes to GWS. Is his contract money included in Collingwood's salary cap if he transfers clubs?

[Jewels]

That's not the way we operate and I for one am glad that is the way.

Certainly in the last 10 years (Roos era onwards) we have been fair and more than reasonable in our trading deals. We have targeted players and obtained them with no real hard nosed bargaining. In fact, some of our deals looked like we paid overs, but have worked out fantastically. Jolly looked like we may have paid overs (late first rounder) for a guy who couldn't get a game at Melbourne, but a Premiership and several great years later proved to be a bargain. Ended up sending him back down south at his request and picked up Jetta for our trouble. Teddy the same, a top 20 pick from memory and whilst it looked a bit shaky a few years ago, has now turned out another massive win for us.

Jesse has given us great service and is certainly not leaving due to any acrimony, just for more opportunities and it's what makes our club great that they are prepared to work with his club of choice, even if it means we may miss out in the short term. Same with Mummy, he would most definitely be a player in great demand but we have agreed to his wishes and will deal with GWS exclusively, probably to our detriment.

I'm a firm believer that what we lose on the hurdy gurdy, we pick up on the roundabout and players and their managers are always prepared to deal with the Swans because they have a reputation of fairness.

Totally agree Trips, nothing wrong with doing the right thing by departing players and we have proved in the past that we don't need high draft picks to uncover gems.

[penga]

Don't get me wrong, I love Nick Smith, but the way modern footy is played these days do we need a lock down back pocket?

[Triple B]

Don't get me wrong, I love Nick Smith, but the way modern footy is played these days do we need a lock down back pocket?

While ever there are dangerous small forwards (Rioli, Walters, Betts, et al), there will be a need for lock down back pockets, regardless of how the game is played...

[caj23]

If a trade isn't done for White and we don't re-sign him (a certainty given we can't afford him), won't he become a de-listed free agent and be free to move to the club of choice?

No - the club has to delist him for this to occur, otherwise all out of contract players would be free agents.