Swans 2013 Draft Strategy

[Ludwig]

[QUOTE=Ajn;630299]

The projection is that someone like Lewis Taylor, Blake Acres, or Jonathan Marsh will be available at pick 15.
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Can't see a 174 mid who would be way down the order of our midfield, another quick but developing mid or a raw project like Marsh can be elite...

Pick 15 is not likely to be elite, but if Pyke goes down we need a good tap ruck, such as a 205cm, med build, tap ruck who can provide good insurance and even keep pressure on Pyke to perform.

If a Freeman or top ten slip through, otherwise best ruck or def.

P.S. This is just an opinion...

Of course when you're talking elite, it's hard to tell at this stage in a player's career, but I think you're off on this one. Acres is the highest rated WA player by those who see him play regularly. Even ahead of Dom Sheed. He missed a lot of the season due to a shoulder reco, otherwise I think he would be top 10. Taylor may be a bit short, but he's been compared to Boomer Harvey, who is undoubtedly elite. He seems to have all the tools; how far he goes is hard to say. I wouldn't rank either of these below anyone in the draft except for Boyd. Marsh is a raw talent and the hardest to judge. He's been played out of his usual midfield position because he grew too tall. But his speed and athleticism certainly gives him an honest chance to becoming a top shelf footballer.

I'm sure Lobb is an excellent ruck prospect, but it's very rare that they come out of the state league or junior footy and step right up to AFL level. Brody Grundy was a bit of an exception, but was much higher rated than Lobb. And hard to say how he would have held up under the rigours of a full season. And he didn't come on until late in the season after some time learning his trade in the Pies' reserves. Top 10 pick Billy Longer could hardly break into the Brissy lineup after 2 seasons. It's possible that Lobb can step up next season, but it would be quite optimistic. Lobb is being touted in part because of the mediocrity of he ruck prospects this year. I don't see any of them being worth more than a pick 35.

I think the Swans' strategy of trading for an experienced ruckman or developing them through the rookie system has served us well over the years.

[Ajn]

I think your right, because they would want to use pick 29 and using 14 may let someone slip through.
If they don't baulk and pick a mid or gardiner we will go Lobb, if they use 14 we may get Gardiner

Cat and mouse leaking of information....

[swans]

I don't, understand people saying that the swans will pick up a ruckman with there first pick.
When everyone know that drafting a ruckman will not play for 4 year and we can easy pick up a older ruckman or a young player and build a tall ruckman in reserves that we already have.

Swans need an older ruckman in the pre session draft to fill this role like Geelong has over the years. This strategy should not change.
This would place swans team backwards in building any furture team picking ruckman first.

The swans strategy should be to pick best tall key position in any postion.
We should continue going tall.

First pick should be
Best tall centre player / or best tall backman or best centre.

These player should be avalible.
Cameron McCarthy 195cm.
Darcy Gardiner Height: 193cm
Blake Acres 189cm
Michael Apeness (KF)
Matthew Crouch (Mid)


Second pick. Should be able to get
Small forward or tall any 195 forward or back
Jay Kennedy-Harris gun gun gun
Daniel McStay Height: 194cm
Cameron Giles 195cm 93kg

Third pick.
Best small forward / or tall again
Daniel McStay Height: 194cm
Cameron Giles 195cm 93kg

Pick four ruckman
Save a pick for a older ruckman in the presession draft.
Any ruckman in age group 24 to 29 can fill this roll geelong has be doing this for years.

I would be happy if the swans pick the best player at each round .

[Melbourne_Blood]

My logic is this. We are obviously confident in where our list sits, having put most of our eggs in the two baskets by recruiting Tippett and Buddy. This has left us virtually no salary cap room to recruit mature players, and we have lost some depth also. The chances of any players we pick up in the draft getting a game next year are extremely slim IMO. Those who've tried to put together a 22 for next season would notice they are already leaving 3-4 very good/ promising players out. That's forgetting players like Lloyd , Membrey, Robinson and X Richards in the two's. So a mid we pick up with pick 15 may do a Jed Lamb and walk in two years if they don't get the oppurtunity they expect . A ruckman however may very well get a game or two ( or more) next year, and in two seasons time, when Pyke may be on his last legs, could be ready to play full time.

[southsideswan]

I agree with M-B on that we need to make use of the talent in the 2's. There is so much effort put into them so they can step into the main game and we saw from this year that none of them let us down. I think Membrey, X , Lloyd and later in the year Naismith are ready when called upon. If we dont you get the situation that I [U]think[U] happened this year where Lloyd had the choice of senior listing else where or staying on our rookie list. It may have been tempting but in the long run a good choice. I suppose it is the balancing act of getting new talent and keeping what you have happy!!

[lwjoyner]

Just reading Herald Sun about Matthew Scharenberg. If he falls to 15 we would be made not to take him.

[707]

A question to those more knowledgable amongst us, like Ugg & Liz - how many rookie spots do we have available? I think it's only one, is that correct?

[GordonS]

A question to those more knowledgable amongst us, like Ugg & Liz - how many rookie spots do we have available? I think it's only one, is that correct?

u can have 6 category A and 3 category B maximum. do the math on that

[swans]

Just reading Herald Sun about Matthew Scharenberg. If he falls to 15 we would be made not to take him.

He was expected to go in the top 10 but if he was there at 15 the swans would look at picking him as with others.
He was a outstanding player and very good ball skill Very Wayne carrie like.

Yep 190 at 17 and still growing would be a nice size for a moden player that can play anywhere on the ground and with great ball skills would be a nice pickup if avalible .

Some more information for others
MATTHEW SCHARENBERG Matt Scharenberg

Height: 190cm
Weight: 89kg
Team/Club: South Australia/Glenelg
Poisition: Utility
Player comparison: Brendan Goddard
Draft Range: 1-5

Player Profile

Matthew Scharenberg has shot to prominance after an outstanding National Carnival that saw him take hom All Australian honours and a joint winner of SA?s MVP award with captain Luke Dunstan.

Scharenberg is a rare talent that hailing from an elite baseball background
He once played in the junior Australian team.

He awareness,vision and poise are key attributes that allow Scharenberg to look as though he has all the time in the world with the ball in hand.

He often plays the game on his own terms, and is one of the classiest players in this years crop.

The beauty of Scharenberg, is that he can play an array of poisitions well all over the ground.

whether that be a free-wheeling reboudning defender, or an agile, quick and responsive type up forward, Scharenberg can play anywhere on the ground with ease.

He has the number one kick in the championships and , he is the type of player teammates look to, to get the ball into his hands.

The figure to Scharenberg?s game, is his ability to take the game on, back his strengths and use his skills to his advantage,
His a skilled players by hand and by foot and is highly recommended.

Yep a nice player.

[swans]

Was just reading from theage a sum up of this years teams players list.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2013-afl-draft-20131115-2xm5h.html

Interesting.

SYDNEY SWANS
In: Lance Franklin, Jeremy Laidler.

Out: Tony Armstrong, Jude Bolton, Alex Brown, Andrejs Everitt, Martin Mattner, Mitch Morton, Shane Mumford, Jesse White, Jed Lamb.

Rookie upgrades: Brandon Jack, Dane Rampe.
Draft picks: 15, 32, 35, 44, 53, 69 (Jack), 79 (Rampe).

Depth charts
Tall forwards:
Lance Franklin, Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Tommy Walsh.

Tall defenders:
Ted Richards, Heath Grundy, Alex Johnson, Jeremy Laidler, Xavier Richards (rookie).

Small/medium forwards:
Ben McGlynn, Tim Membrey.

Small/medium defenders:
Nick Smith, Nick Malceski, Dane Rampe, Rhyce Shaw, Jordan Lockyer, Matthew Dick, Harry Marsh.

Midfielders:
Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy, Kieren Jack, Ryan O'Keefe, Dan Hannebery, Lewis Jetta, Jarrad McVeigh, Craig Bird, Luke Parker, Gary Rohan, Tom Mitchell, Harry Cunningham, Dean Towers, Brandon Jack, Shane Biggs (rookie).

Rucks:
Mike Pyke, Sam Naismith (rookie), Patrick Mitchell (international rookie).

DRAFT DAY
: Sydney's depth has taken a hit, partly because Franklin's enormous contract caused a few players look for better contracts elsewhere,

but also because Bolton and Mattner had decided to retire. Given a choice between one of the best players in the competition and three or four fringe players, most clubs would find a new fringe.

The Swans have a few areas that need boosting and while Jed Lamb's departure could create opportunities for Membrey, it also means the club could bring in a medium forward. Whether there is one worth pick 15 is the question, with the quirky Jonathan Marsh one to consider. That said, there's likely to be a selection of onballers available at that pick.

Lewis Taylor and Zach Merrett are smart, speedy players, while inside midfielders such as Dom Sheed, Luke Dunstan, Zak Jones and Trent Dumont would need to be considered on talent. The other area needing attention is the ruck.

The Swans need someone who can play immediately, if required, but of the younger ruckmen on offer, former basketballer Rory Lobb.


Looking at the list the swans still need players in these areas
Listed in any order.

Tall defenders . is a must to fill this year.
Utility or tall forward Best tall 190cm or over
Small forwards. Need a gun late in draft.
Rucks. need a ready to go backup late in draft.

[707]

Tall defender - agree, Joel Tippett late in draft is ready to go

Utility or tall forward - we have that well covered I would have thought

Small forward - I think our style is to use midfielders as the fwd smalls but if a good one is available at our pick, would we swoop or stick with what we've been doing?

Ruck - we are in deep poo here. Imagine if Pyke had a serious injury at the start of or before the season, who would ruck? Would we just ruck LRT and get the mids to read the opposition? Is Naismith going to be anywhere near ready, ressie watchers? Lobb or any of the other young rucks are not the answer for 2014. We obviously need a ruck strategy for 2015 and beyond but for 2014 we need a mature ruck, even if he's just servicable. We'll obviously scour all leagues and look at discards from other teams to find at least one back up, just in case.

Thursday's draft is going to be very interesting for us, I'm just hoping that we use pick 15 on the best available player, there will be some very good ones still there for us. BTW, I'm liking Dunstan, reckon he would fit in just fine.

[wolftone57]

[QUOTE=Ludwig;630301]

Of course when you're talking elite, it's hard to tell at this stage in a player's career, but I think you're off on this one. Acres is the highest rated WA player by those who see him play regularly. Even ahead of Dom Sheed. He missed a lot of the season due to a shoulder reco, otherwise I think he would be top 10. Taylor may be a bit short, but he's been compared to Boomer Harvey, who is undoubtedly elite. He seems to have all the tools; how far he goes is hard to say. I wouldn't rank either of these below anyone in the draft except for Boyd. Marsh is a raw talent and the hardest to judge. He's been played out of his usual midfield position because he grew too tall. But his speed and athleticism certainly gives him an honest chance to becoming a top shelf footballer.

I'm sure Lobb is an excellent ruck prospect, but it's very rare that they come out of the state league or junior footy and step right up to AFL level. Brody Grundy was a bit of an exception, but was much higher rated than Lobb. And hard to say how he would have held up under the rigours of a full season. And he didn't come on until late in the season after some time learning his trade in the Pies' reserves. Top 10 pick Billy Longer could hardly break into the Brissy lineup after 2 seasons. It's possible that Lobb can step up next season, but it would be quite optimistic. Lobb is being touted in part because of the mediocrity of he ruck prospects this year. I don't see any of them being worth more than a pick 35.

I think the Swans' strategy of trading for an experienced ruckman or developing them through the rookie system has served us well over the years.

I think you are right Ludwig. I think we will again rookie a ruckman. There is one prospect who will go in the rookie draft. Due to a series of injuries Cameron Conlon is probably not on any recruiter's list for the main draft but will probably be on the listas a rookie prospect. Clubs don't like to take risks with players who have had major injuries on the main list. He could be a good pick up for us and as a rookie if he never gets on the park then he gets delisted.

[GordonS]

Just reading Herald Sun about Matthew Scharenberg. If he falls to 15 we would be made not to take him.

definitely. but i think other clubs would believe he's too good to pass up early in what is seen as a weak draft

[wolftone57]

Was just reading from theage a sum up of this years teams players list.

Club-by-club guide to the 2013 AFL draft

Interesting.

SYDNEY SWANS
In: Lance Franklin, Jeremy Laidler.

Out: Tony Armstrong, Jude Bolton, Alex Brown, Andrejs Everitt, Martin Mattner, Mitch Morton, Shane Mumford, Jesse White, Jed Lamb.

Rookie upgrades: Brandon Jack, Dane Rampe.
Draft picks: 15, 32, 35, 44, 53, 69 (Jack), 79 (Rampe).

Depth charts
Tall forwards:
Lance Franklin, Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Tommy Walsh.

Tall defenders:
Ted Richards, Heath Grundy, Alex Johnson, Jeremy Laidler, Xavier Richards (rookie).

Small/medium forwards:
Ben McGlynn, Tim Membrey.

Small/medium defenders:
Nick Smith, Nick Malceski, Dane Rampe, Rhyce Shaw, Jordan Lockyer, Matthew Dick, Harry Marsh.

Midfielders:
Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy, Kieren Jack, Ryan O'Keefe, Dan Hannebery, Lewis Jetta, Jarrad McVeigh, Craig Bird, Luke Parker, Gary Rohan, Tom Mitchell, Harry Cunningham, Dean Towers, Brandon Jack, Shane Biggs (rookie).

Rucks:
Mike Pyke, Sam Naismith (rookie), Patrick Mitchell (international rookie).

DRAFT DAY
: Sydney's depth has taken a hit, partly because Franklin's enormous contract caused a few players look for better contracts elsewhere,

but also because Bolton and Mattner had decided to retire. Given a choice between one of the best players in the competition and three or four fringe players, most clubs would find a new fringe.

The Swans have a few areas that need boosting and while Jed Lamb's departure could create opportunities for Membrey, it also means the club could bring in a medium forward. Whether there is one worth pick 15 is the question, with the quirky Jonathan Marsh one to consider. That said, there's likely to be a selection of onballers available at that pick.

Lewis Taylor and Zach Merrett are smart, speedy players, while inside midfielders such as Dom Sheed, Luke Dunstan, Zak Jones and Trent Dumont would need to be considered on talent. The other area needing attention is the ruck.

The Swans need someone who can play immediately, if required, but of the younger ruckmen on offer, former basketballer Rory Lobb.


Looking at the list the swans still need players in these areas
Listed in any order.

Tall defenders . is a must to fill this year.
Utility or tall forward Best tall 190cm or over
Small forwards. Need a gun late in draft.
Rucks. need a ready to go backup late in draft.

Shows just how much of our list they have seen play. Marsh is a mid, Biggs is a HB, Towers has been playing as a forward but can play anywhere, BJ is more a small forward, Robinson is a mid but gets left out, rohan is a forward who can play mid or even HB, Jake Lloyd is a mid and a really good prospe t who also doesn't get mentioned, Ryano will play mostly forward this year I should think. Yes we do need to keep our eyes on the small forward situation but ruck and tall defenders are a priority. Mid depth is always good to have too.

Johnathon Marsh and Joel Tippett would be two I would be looking at as well as a rookie selection of Conlon who was highly rated before he spent 18 months out injured.

[wolftone57]

Tall defender - agree, Joel Tippett late in draft is ready to go

Utility or tall forward - we have that well covered I would have thought

Small forward - I think our style is to use midfielders as the fwd smalls but if a good one is available at our pick, would we swoop or stick with what we've been doing?

Ruck - we are in deep poo here. Imagine if Pyke had a serious injury at the start of or before the season, who would ruck? Would we just ruck LRT and get the mids to read the opposition? Is Naismith going to be anywhere near ready, ressie watchers? Lobb or any of the other young rucks are not the answer for 2014. We obviously need a ruck strategy for 2015 and beyond but for 2014 we need a mature ruck, even if he's just servicable. We'll obviously scour all leagues and look at discards from other teams to find at least one back up, just in case.

Thursday's draft is going to be very interesting for us, I'm just hoping that we use pick 15 on the best available player, there will be some very good ones still there for us. BTW, I'm liking Dunstan, reckon he would fit in just fine.

I think at a pinch if things were bad then big Sammy Naismith would be ok to fill in for Pykie. He would have another preseason under his belt and barring injury I think he would be tried this year anyway. If we rookie draft 198cm Conlon who has had major injuries in the last two years if he stays fit he will be a great prospect. Before he got injured and spent 18 months on the sidelines he was a hot prospect.