Lamb has gone to GWS

[CureTheSane]

No reason we shouldn't be able to replace Mummy. White has disappointed for a long time and whilst I am glad he got a chance he is not a bloke who I reckon can win us flags. Everitt a solid senior player at best, well suited to a bottom six club like GWS. Lamb being paid overs and not a key loss.

Buddy Franklin - an elite level player that will put bums on seats and give us the unpredictability we need to win a flag. A genuine superstar of the game, probably its BIGGEST name.

I trust our board. I believe our culture and our development process and list management can mitigate a number of the risks. There will be downside to this deal but its a measured risk assessment to what the upside is....

Rather than death-riding it why not go along for the ride? The Buddy deal has the potential to catapult the Swans into the big league commercially in Australia and win us a flag or two in the process. I reckon it is a risk worth taking.

Yeah, that's a pretty good post.

I probably over value White, but I guess intuition plays a part, and mine says that he will be a very good player and the Wobbles will have got themselves a bargain. CureTheSanes's intuition doesn't count for much at the trade table though.

Still think Mumford was an absolute bargain at what we git for him, but we really had nowhere to negotiate with him, other than play hard ball and let them use a draft pick.

I have always been 100% behind picking up Franklin, and don't think ill of the Swans for 1 second for the deal they made.

I am generally happy with the Swans trading, and the wash up will be an overall positive for us.

Lamb is a bit of an interesting one. I would have thought that given his age he might have stuck it out for places which become available, but we don't know the full story - there may be issues the Swans have with him, or he with them.
Even though the Swans are regarded as the almighty rulers in the culture stakes, we have a whole heap of players with a whole heap of different personalities - sometimes they will clash.
will be interesting to see what we get for Lamb.
Seems he has accepted a deal which indicates that if GWS can't work out a trade, they are prepared to use a pick on him and rick losing him to another team.

[Auntie.Gerald]

melb maybe just as keen if he goes into the PSD

[CureTheSane]

As far as Everitt goes, I see myself on the other side of over valuing him.
ie: I really don't see what everyone else sees in him, and don't see him as ever really becoming an overly valued player.
Happy to keep him, happy to trade him.

[Chilcott]

Don't know why people are worried.

Gained:

Two of the premier key forwards in the league in Tippett and Buddy over the last 2 seasons.
Get back Goodes, AJ, Jetta, LRT, Reid and a fitter Rohan in 2014.

Losses:
Mumford - a fit Mummy is a loss, however, with his body issues, we may have already seen his best, but who knows. Use Pyke as the first ruck and we have sufficient players to cover the second ruck.
Everitt?? - With AJ back, will be a depth player. He still may stay and will be handy, that's about all.
Lamb - Too many players ahead of him at the moment, and others, such as Perris and Lloyd may end up ahead of him by the end of 2014.
White - Was always going to go after we tried to send him over the Crows. I'm very positive about Reid and he is the ideal replacement for White.

Our gains have far far outweighed our losses.

[Ludwig]

Not surprised that Lamb would look for better opportunities, let alone better money. I wonder if we tried shopping him around to teams like Melbourne and St. Kilda, where there seems to be more of a need for someone like Jed and a better chance for a fairer trade than with GWS. He'll be up against plenty of top end talent at GWS, but at least most will be in his age group.

It's hard to see what kind of deal we could make with GWS. If they were ready to offer something for an unsigned player, they would have done so for Mummy.

As for the players that have already gone, as well as ones that may be on the road (Tony and Dre), it's easy to see that they will have better opportunities and contracts elsewhere. Even Mummy, who you would say is the one true senior level player, was probably superfluous. I think we would have ended up playing just one genuine ruckman. Signing Mummy on for another 3 or 4 years would also have shut the door on Naismith and Pat Mitchell.

We've lost some pretty descent players, but ones that were not slated for our top 22 next year.

[royboy42]

Am I wrong to think that the Lamb and Mumford trades are separate entities, seeing as the Mummy was done and dusted last week? Anything we jag for Lamb will be for him alone?

[Doctor]

To be honest, I never saw him put in a solid forequarter effort.

Bravo!!

[Mug Punter]

melb maybe just as keen if he goes into the PSD

GWS have first pick in the PSD so can draft him but they may have other irons in the fire. Given their dire need for experience I would not be surprised if they wish to keep Pick 1.

We have four picks (15, 35, 39 ,44) of which we will probably use one to get a ruckman leaving us with three draft selections which is I believe our minimum.

We have no need for an additional draftable pick, like we did for Mummy, so we can be hardline here. Believe we should insist on a meaningful draft upgrade. 15 and 44 plus Jed for 21 and 22 would even be sufficient.

All depends on what GWS have planned but I would call their bluff unless they give us some decent trade upgrades....

Also we may well also lose Dre as GWS will be able to offer substantially more than us and it would be hard for him to knock back a good 3 year deal. Makes it more likely that GWS will need to offer some trade incentives and we could get a little more in a bundled deal.

[Ludwig]

GWS have first pick in the PSD so can draft him but they may have other irons in the fire. Given their dire need for experience I would not be surprised if they wish to keep Pick 1.

We have four picks (15, 35, 39 ,44) of which we will probably use one to get a ruckman leaving us with three draft selections which is I believe our minimum.

We have no need for an additional draftable pick, like we did for Mummy, so we can be hardline here. Believe we should insist on a meaningful draft upgrade. 15 and 44 plus Jed for 21 and 22 would even be sufficient.

All depends on what GWS have planned but I would call their bluff unless they give us some decent trade upgrades....

Also we may well also lose Dre as GWS will be able to offer substantially more than us and it would be hard for him to knock back a good 3 year deal. Makes it more likely that GWS will need to offer some trade incentives and we could get a little more in a bundled deal.

I wouldn't do this swap even without Lamb. I don't think we should drop down from our pick 15 as the draft really starts to thin out after that. At 15 we can probably get someone like Acres or Marsh, but neither might be around at 22. The Giants would jump at it, I would think, but don't need pick 44.

[Doctor]

GWS have just traded Shaun Edwards & Kurt Aylett to Essendon for pick 48. I'd imagine that's now the one they're looking at giving us.

Confusing messages coming from the Giants. A 2 year youth strategy and now a lot of trading away of youth. Perhaps they've used the 2 years to assess which ones will make it and which won't.

[CJK]

Confusing messages coming from the Giants. A 2 year youth strategy and now a lot of trading away of youth. Perhaps they've used the 2 years to assess which ones will make it and which won't.

More likely they are just a bunch of idiots over there.

[ugg]

Edwards played 2 games last year and Aylett none (moreso due to injury). They were fringe players at the Giants. If they were contracted I imagine the Giants would have been happy to get their contracts off their books.

[Ludwig]

GWS have just traded Shaun Edwards & Kurt Aylett to Essendon for pick 48. I'd imagine that's now the one they're looking at giving us.

You're probably right, but it seems so pointless. You can only think that GWS were planning to delist these 2 anyway if they accepted pick 48. Given that Karnezis may go for the same range of pick, that's probably Jed's value at the moment.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Edwards played 2 games last year and Aylett none (moreso due to injury). They were fringe players at the Giants. If they were contracted I imagine the Giants would have been happy to get their contracts off their books.

I think they also have to reduce there temporarily expanded list too

[annew]

Don't know why people are worried.

Gained:

Two of the premier key forwards in the league in Tippett and Buddy over the last 2 seasons.
Get back Goodes, AJ, Jetta, LRT, Reid and a fitter Rohan in 2014.

Losses:
Mumford - a fit Mummy is a loss, however, with his body issues, we may have already seen his best, but who knows. Use Pyke as the first ruck and we have sufficient players to cover the second ruck.
Everitt?? - With AJ back, will be a depth player. He still may stay and will be handy, that's about all.
Lamb - Too many players ahead of him at the moment, and others, such as Perris and Lloyd may end up ahead of him by the end of 2014.
White - Was always going to go after we tried to send him over the Crows. I'm very positive about Reid and he is the ideal replacement for White.

Our gains have far far outweighed our losses.

I agree with all this plus the swans have had a year to think and prepare for the buddy trade so I am sure they know what they are doing.